Hit and Run (Do I have a play?) Lengthy...

[Beer and Pizza]

We live in a no fault society. If no one was injured, what do you expect? And they don't come down that hard on 16 year olds. Kids often flee, and then their Dad sends them back to the scene - I've had this happen to me. Cops don't want to get too involved, no one was injured. People will take advantage of the court system - low consequences of being caught lying. All in all, your situation was quite common.

As long as you were not held responsible, what business of yours is it that the kid got off easy? Or that the judge or the cop didn't really care all that much about a non-injury accident?

Most of you guys want to live in a society of no consequences, where the alcohol and pot and gambling and sex and anything else you want flows freely. So, don't complain with the typical outcome of such a society. This was typical.

[Alobar]

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Most of you guys want to live in a society of no consequences, where the alcohol and pot and gambling and sex and anything else you want flows freely. So, don't complain with the typical outcome of such a society. This was typical.

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Children teaching their kids its ok to lie to get out of trouble isnt a product of a society with alcohol, weed, gambling and sex. Thats just the kind of lie your church leader or government official tells you. All of my friends love alchohol weed sex and gambling and we all know right from wrong. all those things can coexist with good morals. What you are talking about is just a product of poor parenting, not a "Degenerate" society.

[vexvelour]

Wow, I would've gone completely apesh1t and told anyone who would listen to me about each detail of this accident.

First of all, I would call the cop's supervisor. Explain to him what happened, and how the cop didn't even cite her for a hit-and-run. Then I would call my lawyer and ask him to get in contact with the judge who ruled on the case about the message she left. Then I'd find her house and bomb the [censored] out of it.

That seriously sucks, man. People like that should be exterminated.

They did look a little surprised when I showed up. When I saw them there, I thought it was weird...No excuse for not telling the judge, I think I just dismissed that whole part till afterwards when I put it together.

You are right though, how amazing it is that the mother was sitting front row, in a courtroom, where her 16 yr old daughter just swore on a bible to tell the whole truth, and then watch her knowing shes going to lie out her a$$.

MDoranD

[DcifrThs]

i find it slightly humorous that you work for an insurance company and got hit by a teenage driver while out investigating a claim.

anyways, that really sux and the mom's handling of the situatin is SOOO [censored] weak.

id talk to your lawyer or your GC of your insurance company (of which im sure there are many) and see if there's something else you can do b/c this needs to be handled much more seriously than it was.

[censored] weak.

Barron

[mslif]

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Wow, I would've gone completely apesh1t and told anyone who would listen to me about each detail of this accident.

First of all, I would call the cop's supervisor. Explain to him what happened, and how the cop didn't even cite her for a hit-and-run. Then I would call my lawyer and ask him to get in contact with the judge who ruled on the case about the message she left. Then I'd find her house and bomb the [censored] out of it.

That seriously sucks, man. People like that should be exterminated.

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You have to look at state laws before you can make that kind of assumptions regarding the cop's behavior. In some states, it is not the cop's duty to determine who is at fault or not. As I stated previously, he does not HAVE to show up to court unless subpoenaed.
Calling the Judge would be a big mistake (you would not be able to speak to him anyway) but he has rendered his verdict. If you have a problem with it or want to add something, file a motion.

[CORed]

It's probably best that you missed with the battery. You could have been charged with vandalism (and maybe assault, if anybody got hurt) if it had hit and probably would have been liable for any damage to her car. I can understand why you did it; I might have done it too in your situation. It's a good thing you showed up for court. Without the police officer, you would have had no witness, and she might have gotten away with her lie. Maybe the mother did call the cop, but I can't imagine that he would have believed her. You might file a complaint about that with the Police departments internal affairs officer. I would imagine that the cop gave her a break on the hit and run because she did return, and she was young. Making a speeding charge stick without any radar reading would be tough. She did get charged with running the stop sign, which was the easily probable offense.

I would report to the police and maybe the DA about the call. This is probably witness tampering, obstruction of justice, or something of that nature. However, all you can do is report it. It will be up to the cops and the prosecurtor whether they will do anything about it. With a recorded message, they might have a case, but whether they will pursue it in a traffic case is questionable. The mother may claim it wasn't her that left the message. If there are phone records indicating that she called your number from her home or cell phone, it would help. If she called from a pay phone or somebody else's phone, it may be a little harder to prove that she made the call. Obviously, you are not dealing with honest people here.

[MelK]

OK, here is the plan. (one white lie included):

Send a copy of the tape to the judge. Tell him that you didn't hear the message before the court date (this is the white lie but you are not under oath, and it serves as your excuse for not bringing it up). Tell him your concern is about the obstruction of justice by the Mother. (The daughter's case is over, but you are a witness and you were deliberately dissuaded from appearing)

Let the judge do whatever he will, he may care about obstruction of justice, he may not.

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We live in a no fault society. If no one was injured, what do you expect? And they don't come down that hard on 16 year olds. Kids often flee, and then their Dad sends them back to the scene - I've had this happen to me. Cops don't want to get too involved, no one was injured. People will take advantage of the court system - low consequences of being caught lying. All in all, your situation was quite common.

As long as you were not held responsible, what business of yours is it that the kid got off easy? Or that the judge or the cop didn't really care all that much about a non-injury accident?

Most of you guys want to live in a society of no consequences, where the alcohol and pot and gambling and sex and anything else you want flows freely. So, don't complain with the typical outcome of such a society. This was typical.

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This is silly. OK, she didnt hurt anyone, but by not giving her a stronger punishment, what makes her realize this is unnaceptable?? Obviously her mother isnt going to handle it as she has allowed her to lie in court about the facts. But when a police officer decides to cut someone slack because of their age it is setting a precedent that noone wants. If I was hurt, does the situation change? Now does she get the hit and run? Does she get charged with reckless driving? So its OK to do this if noone gets hurt?

I find it hard to believe that the cop will judge what happened to me (the victim) as far as the extent of my injuries, before deciding if she should be charged with something. If someone is driving under the influence, police officers dont wait to see if you hit somebody before they decide to charge you with it....


MDoranD

[vexvelour]

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I would imagine that the cop gave her a break on the hit and run because she did return, and she was young.

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It seems to me that this is exactly why he should have been strict with ticketing her.

She either didn't have a licence or just got one, which is all the more reason to set her straight before she does this crap again.