KQs, how was this hand ?

[gorie]

i didn't have many hands played at this table but enough to see UTG seemed loose.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (17.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.


Turn: (10.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 folds, CO folds, UTG calls.

River: (14.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB

my thought process (likely flawed, since i suck and am still learning) was to cold-call preflop (rather than reraise, which is what i'd normally have done) in hopes of more action.

flop - pot was big so i called
turn - i reraise for value and semi-bluff ?
river - hit a K and pretty sure i had the hand.

thoughts ? terrible ? acceptable ?
thanks. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

edit: thinking back now, since i knew UTG was loose i think i should have reraised to isolate.? a big part of why i chose to call , is that i had just got done reading something about the benefit of playing KQs this way occasionally (at least i thought i did, but i'm dumb) and that affected my decision preflop, also i think i am too aggressive in my play and trying to fix that and it seemed a good thing at the time.
most concerned with flop/post-flop though.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

Your turn raise is not for value, and is not a good semi bluff.

Rest of the hand is fine.

Edit: Woah missed preflop. Fold this preflop. Damn, I don't know why I assumed it was a normal preflop. That makes the flop not so good either.

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Your turn raise is not for value, and is not a good semi bluff.

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Actually, I think this is good, because we can buy some K outs. It's value in the sense that MHIG when we fold MP1's AK.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

Are we buying enough clean outs to be worth the amount of money we are losing with this raise? I really doubt it.

[DCWildcat]

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Are we buying enough clean outs to be worth the amount of money we are losing with this raise? I really doubt it.

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I agree with this. I'm folding twice preflop, and I'm calling this turn.

You're going to lose a lot of money getting 3-bet on this turn as well.

Edit: I can be enticed to check behind on the river too.

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Are we buying enough clean outs to be worth the amount of money we are losing with this raise? I really doubt it.

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Yeah true, but this is a semi-bluff, not a pure bluff. We have a draw here. Another thing we might be getting out of this raise is a free showdown if we miss our draw on the river. These are paper-thin reasons, but I think they add up.

[MrWookie47]

A free showdown? Why? There's no way we have the best hand right now. I guess we can see a couple of cards, but nothing he's holding will bring any chips in our direction UI. We're either betting the river because we hit something, or we are getting a free showdown because open-folding takes two clicks, while checking just takes one.

[Aaron_]

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Your turn raise is not for value, and is not a good semi bluff.

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Actually, I think this is good, because we can buy some K outs. It's value in the sense that MHIG when we fold MP1's AK.

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Thought I'd throw this in. At best your reraise buys 3 outs (and I mean at very best). If the raise buys 3 clean outs 100% of the time, you're only getting back about .8 BBs for your one. Now double check my math for me:

3 outs are worth approximately 6.5% (14.3:1 dog) of 12.75BB = .83BB

[MrWookie47]

Good math. This is exactly the sort of thing that you need to be able to do.

[bottomset]

ok, i see my first post now, im happy