Bellagio 5diamond Hand

[colson10]

30K starting chips with 50-100 blinds.

I’m around 27K when UTG+1 limps for 100, UTG+2 is a super weak loose donk playing in his 3rd ever tournament (1st and 2nd being the satellites to get into this one), he makes it 500. This is deep into level 1 and while he has been in a number of pots, he has not raised preflop yet. I’m next to act with JJ, I call. Joe Awada, a couple spots behind me calls, Jdags in the SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 limper calls.

2600 in the pot, flop is 664r. Jdags leads out for 1200, limper folds, UTG+2 calls, I call, Awada makes it 2500 more, 3700 total. Everyone folds to me. 2500 to call, 9900 in the pot. I think for a minute, and Awada says, “don’t make me sweat longer than I have to.” I fold.

This is the first time I've played with Awada. He has been the most aggressive at the table so far. He is certainly capable of having nothing here. He can also have many hands with a 6 in it. I wouldn't be surprised if he called in this spot preflop with nearly any two cards. It's also a certainty that he will not just shut down on the turn if I call his raise.

Knowing how the hand turned out, raising the flop the first time around looks like a good idea, of course. Should I have been able to see this? When I called the flop I wasn't worried about Awada, I was worried about the other two. I wanted to just call the flop so that I could play the next two streets with position.

Thoughts?

[Yuv]

Why not raise PF a bit and try to get HU with the weak-loose player? If he re-pops it, you can get away from a likely AA-QQ. If not, you're playing deep stack poker, with position, against the weakest player at the table.

[colson10]

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Why not raise PF a bit and try to get HU with the weak-loose player? If he re-pops it, you can get away from a likely AA-QQ. If not, you're playing deep stack poker, with position, against the weakest player at the table.

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I agree that this a reasonable idea. Of course I like the idea of having position on a weak player HU. But he hadn't shown any aggression yet, so I thought it was way too likely that he had a bigger pair. I also figured that if I flopped a set he might go off for his whole stack with an overpair. And from seeing how he busted this was definitely true. His bustout hand was pretty funny so I'll detail it.

5 limpers for 200 to him on the button, sitting with about 25K. He fiddles with his chips a bit, obviously thinking about raising. He ends up limping behind. I complete from the SB, BB checks. 8 ways to the flop, KK2r. checks to Jdags in MP who bets 1K, folds to button who makes it 3K, I fold, BB makes it 9K, everyone folds back to the button who asks how much it is to raise again. He min raises to 15K, with 9Kish behind, BB calls. Turn is 7, BB leads out all in, Button obviously doesn't like where he is, but throws his last chips in. KJ for BB, AA for button. No help for him on the river.

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Thoughts?

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I like it a lot more after everyone folds than before. With the preflop call, it's hard to put him on a semi-bluff with big overcards because it sounds like he's aggressive enough to raise with that preflop.

Maybe he has a 6, but he is equally likely to have a 4, if you use the same rationale for the 4 as you do for the 6. Could be A4s or A6s.

More than likely he is on some other pair smaller than yours, maybe 5's, 7's or 8's.

I have a hard time letting the Jacks go here. I also consider reraising to say "the turn isn't going to be free either." I'd hate to cold call and then see an Ace or King come on the turn. But I don't know.

Look forward to seeing the results and other comments.

[colson10]

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Look forward to seeing the results.

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As I said in the original post, I folded. There is no way I can just call his raise. I will face a huge bet on the turn and will essentially be playing for my whole stack here.

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Look forward to seeing the results.

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As I said in the original post, I folded.

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D'OH!!

[Annulus]

Do you play this hand the same way verse Joe in a stars $150 tourney? Im just curious.

[colson10]

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Do you play this hand the same way verse Joe in a stars $150 tourney? Im just curious.

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This hand plays out much differently in an online tournament. We're nearly 300 blinds deep in this situation, with a slow blind structure that can reward conservative play. That is not something you encounter playing online.

[Annulus]

Agreed. Bad comparison on my part. While, this tourney is obviously way out of my league. I mostly play $50-$250 online mtts, and some even lower limits. If this hand came up in my online MTTs in a very similar fashion, im sure my donkey self would reraise all in verse Joe. Because i'm not afraid to bust out.

While Joe could very well have you beat here, he also could just be making a move using his image and position. Preflop he prolly reraises with AA, KK. So QQ is the only hand I see what you are behind too. And I think him having an overpair to the flop is very possible also (77-1010). But more likely I think he's making a move.

[MLG]

I like how you played it. There are so many things that can go wrong if you raise with the action in front of you that I hate building a big pot. If Joe picks a spot where 3 people have shown interest to run a play then the pot is his.