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12-28-2005, 11:22 PM
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Re: A9o utg
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i like it especially if he will bluff a missed draw. [/ QUOTE ] That's the thing though... there was really no draw out there so I fealt my hand was either WA or WB. There was no way a free card would hurt me, other than possibly tripping up a small pocket pair. 
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12-29-2005, 12:07 AM
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Re: A9o utg
The difference between this and the archetypal WAWB situation is he will call you with quite a bit when you are WA. He'll definitely call you with any pair, he'll definitely call with a straight draw, and he's likely to call you with K high. Plus he might call with any 2 other cards for whatever reason these guys have.
Indeed, against almost any other kind of player the turn check is standard, but this guy is very loose (you have decent value on a turn call), and passive (he's less likely to bluff the river.) As Victor said, if he will bluff a missed draw then checking the turn is better, but given the information we have I don't think he will all that much. [ QUOTE ] There was no way a free card would hurt me [/ QUOTE ] True, this is not about hand protection; it is about value.
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12-29-2005, 12:26 AM
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Re: A9o utg
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The difference between this and the archetypal WAWB situation is he will call you with quite a bit when you are WA. He'll definitely call you with any pair, he'll definitely call with a straight draw, and he's likely to call you with K high. Plus he might call with any 2 other cards for whatever reason these guys have. Indeed, against almost any other kind of player the turn check is standard, but this guy is very loose (you have decent value on a turn call), and passive (he's less likely to bluff the river.) As Victor said, if he will bluff a missed draw then checking the turn is better, but given the information we have I don't think he will all that much. [ QUOTE ] There was no way a free card would hurt me [/ QUOTE ] True, this is not about hand protection; it is about value. [/ QUOTE ] Word. I like your explanation. Your thoughts are appreciated. ~efficacy
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#6
12-29-2005, 04:58 AM
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Re: A9o utg
there are quite a few gutterballs out there but, yea, i was wrong when i said "missed draw." i meant that he may bluff any 2 cards.
i like your line of thought on the fact that no pairs will hurt you here.
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#8
12-29-2005, 05:20 AM
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Re: A9o utg
I bet here and give the guy with 60 VPIP the opportunity to ply his primary trade, which is coming up with reasons to call. It should also be noted that a player with 60 VPIP and 1.0 AF is not passive postflop.
Cartman
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#9
12-29-2005, 05:32 AM
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Re: A9o utg
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I bet here and give the guy with 60 VPIP the opportunity to ply his primary trade, which is coming up with reasons to call. It should also be noted that a player with 60 VPIP and 1.0 AF is not passive postflop. [/ QUOTE ] Yep, he will call with a lot and yep, he could very well checkraise with a lot more then J on turn. He will call with a worse hand much, much more often then he will pick up something little on river that now is worth calling with. And the chance he got J is not a lot bigger now then it was preflop when he coldcalled, his flopcall means nothing. Got nothing to do with this thread, but u write good posts cartman.
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