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Old 09-27-2005, 11:32 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default $33 - get cute on bubble with KK?

don't remember reads. check out the sweet level 4 bubble though.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (4 handed) converter

Button (t1670)
Hero (BB) (t2795)
UTG (t1170)
CO (t2365)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. (only 1 blind)

<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t300, hero?
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Old 09-27-2005, 11:35 AM
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Default Re: $33 - get cute on bubble with KK?

Push
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Old 09-27-2005, 11:40 AM
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Default Re: $33 - get cute on bubble with KK?

Fold.

Push, what else could you possibly do with those stack sizes?
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Old 09-27-2005, 11:44 AM
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Default Re: $33 - get cute on bubble with KK?

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Push

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Old 09-27-2005, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: $33 - get cute on bubble with KK?

I assume you're thinking about calling and trying to trap with KK? That's a very bad play in this spot I think. Just push. No need to overthink it.
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Old 09-27-2005, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: $33 - get cute on bubble with KK?

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Fold.

Push, what else could you possibly do with those stack sizes?

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obviously the other option is to call. i thought that the first raiser would fold most hands hoping that the back guy would call and go broke (and the first raiser could have a wide range). but then the back guy would only call premium hands because he doesn't want to go broke when he's the 3rd stack.

i would have considered pushing 65s, so maybe that means KK is a call?
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Old 09-27-2005, 11:52 AM
Nicholasp27 Nicholasp27 is offline
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Default Re: $33 - get cute on bubble with KK?

650 dead money in pot

push and claim that money

if they call, then you have good chance of breaking them and getting up to 4-5k itm/hu

if they call and win, you still are, at worst, tied with other shorty, at best shorty itm
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Old 09-27-2005, 11:56 AM
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Default Re: $33 - get cute on bubble with KK?

Im going to suggest something that is prolly going to be seen as horrible.

I say min raise, and try to get on of the stacks pot committed. Then push any flop. And yes, it will suck if an Ace hits, but I may be willing to take that chance to get into a very dominant position.

Odds are whoever calls a min raise, will call a push.
However, you are giving them the chance to make a mistake on the flop by folding when you push. Either way, push or min raise you will get the people all in or get the blinds. You may get that lucky chance that someone will call the min raise, and fold the flop to any aggression.
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Old 09-27-2005, 12:05 PM
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Push. You'll most likely get the original raiser to commit, and the original caller to fold. 3 in the pot, and there's a better chance of someone catching a better hand than you on the flop. One caller = you in a more dominant position to win the pot and knock one out.
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Old 09-27-2005, 12:11 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: $33 - get cute on bubble with KK?

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However, you are giving them the chance to make a mistake on the flop by folding when you push.

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when they flop an A and decide to fold? it's ~100000x more likely they're going to flop nothing, fold, and i'll wish all the money went in pre-flop.

i think the more reasonable argument for a min raise is that

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Odds are whoever calls a min raise, will call a push.

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is not true. i'd be a little surprised to see the action go: utg makes it 300, button calls, i make it 500, both fold. i dunno, maybe it would. the min 3bet is not part of my bag of tricks.
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