How do we like this river checkraise?

private joker · #1 12-02-2005, 08:21 AM

CO is 24/17/2, but seems to be playing even LAGgier tonight. Sort of a loose cannon. MP2 is an unknown.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (7 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, CO raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (9.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero raises

WriterBoy · #2 12-02-2005, 08:29 AM

I don't. Your cold call on the flop raise with two spades showing automatically labels you for chasing the flush. MP abviously has something, either ak, qq or maybe something like aj.

at any rate, you are most likely dominated. id call the river.

bakku · #3 12-02-2005, 08:39 AM

hey pj, i like betting. were you just going to call if MP2 bet?

private joker · #4 12-02-2005, 09:06 AM

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hey pj, i like betting. were you just going to call if MP2 bet?

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Probably. MP played his hand in a manner similar to AK. If he bet, I would overcall but not like it. I think the c/r gets AK to fold a non-insignificant amount of time. If he's too afraid to bet it when it rivers, he'd be too afraid to call 2 bets with it. Of course, he may have AQ/ATs and is folding anyway, but I also might get a call from CO with a worse hand. That's why I threw in the c/r, for the combined EV of getting MP to fold and CO to call. But obviously I'm not confident with it, hence the post.

hobbsmann · #5 12-02-2005, 09:12 AM

PJ, what about check 3-betting the flop? It seems like a pretty good to time clean up some outs by folding out an AK/AQ MP2 my have.

thejameser · #6 12-02-2005, 09:20 AM

i would usually bet. the benefit of the c/r, as stated, is to get MP2 to fold to 2 cold. i guess if he will fold AK enough of the time it is good. otherwise it is likely a hand he is folding anyway. i guess your read on CO is accurately LAG so you are quite likely ahead of him, but given MP2 was a pfr he will have AK often enough for it to be a concern, and it would be pretty sweet to fold out a better hand here(the likelihood of that happening would be the crux of the argument TO c/r i guess). like i said, i would usually bet, but i kind of like your aggressive play here as IMO it gives you the best opportunity to fold MP2 if he has AK. that does not mean it will happen, but if it was going to happen on the river this would be the only way.

#7 12-02-2005, 09:37 AM

can MP2 also have a hand like 88----->TT here?

If he does AK only happens 8 times, 88---->TT happens 18 times.

Would he call here with these hands? If so, your raise may lose you money?

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private joker · #8 12-02-2005, 09:53 AM

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Bukkake -- if you bet, MP folds, and CO raises, are you folding?

#9 12-02-2005, 10:35 AM

This was what I was thinking too.

#10 12-02-2005, 11:03 AM

At first something didn't sit right about this hand, because I didn't like calling two cold on the flop, but after thinking about it, I think it's okay. I don't know if a 3-bet would have gotten MP2 to fold or not.

I like the river check-raise, though.