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Old 12-27-2005, 06:35 PM
Dan Mezick Dan Mezick is offline
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Default How You Are Eliminated: What Does It Say?

I think it says alot about the maturity of your tournament game.

Others might assert it says absolutely nothing.

But I think the hand you go broke with in a tournament tells more about the depth and breadth of your overall tournament game than just about any other hand in that event.

I heard Phil Ivey once in a WPT post-elimination interview say that he keeps careful records of every hand he goes broke with in tournament play. If that is true, Phil assigns a lot of meaning to these specific hands.
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:40 PM
IHateKeithSmart IHateKeithSmart is offline
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Default Re: How You Are Eliminated: What Does It Say?

This is an interesting viewpoint, but I am usually more concerned with how I got to the point of elimination. A post from John Hurst helped me out with some of this though process:

Here it is.
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: How You Are Eliminated: What Does It Say?

The emphasis most people put on their elimination hands as compared to other hands is already so exaggerated that I have to say it's much less important than most think. No one needs to convince someone else to carefully examine their bustout hands; EVERYONE does that automatically because they want to see if there was any immediate action they could have taken to avoid elimination.

What isn't so obvious are small mistakes you made that didn't eliminate you but may have costed you a bet here or a bet there and they're often where you're really making big mistakes. While often you played your bustout hand perfect but will still 2nd guess yourself on it.

The elimination hand needs to be downgraded in the mind, not upgraded.
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: How You Are Eliminated: What Does It Say?

What does it mean if I'm only eliminated because of bad beats
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: How You Are Eliminated: What Does It Say?

i think any one given hand, in a vacuum, is rather meaningless


however i think there is great value in keeping these records (and i think i am going to start now...) because trends can probably tell us a great deal

i usually go broke on failed blind stealing attempts or when i get sucked out on-i'd guess many fish go broke when they cannot release beat hands
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:57 PM
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It means your middle names should be "Hellmuth-Filmaff".
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:42 PM
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Default Re: How You Are Eliminated: What Does It Say?

today?

mostly outdrawn. two 2-outers, a few 3-outers.
top pair overplayed into a flopped set, 2 or 3 times.
TP2K into TPTK once.
idiot end of a 4-card board straight once.
two failed steal attempts.

man... i'm a donk.
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:57 PM
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Default Re: How You Are Eliminated: What Does It Say?

i sort of agree it does matter.... if you're a bad player you will recognize a pattern. Otherwise, i'm not sure.
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:09 PM
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i think it is more important to focus on the hands that caused you to go broke, not necessarily eliminated.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:07 AM
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Default Re: How You Are Eliminated: What Does It Say?

I cuss the bad beats as much as the next guy. It truly seems I only get knocked out when I get my chips in the middle with the lead and get sucked out on. But after reading this and a few other posts, I now realize, I need to ask the questions: Why am I often in the situation that I'm putting all of my chips in the middle - is it really necessary or am I too aggressive? Is my table image such that I'm getting more calls than I should? Am I not accumulating enough chips earlier in the tourney? etc etc.

Overall, I think more reflection is needed for ALL stages of the game, but the last hand is always the one you remember.
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