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Old 12-10-2005, 06:18 AM
Degen Degen is offline
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Default Curtains Hand #3 (Degen)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB (t5660)
Hero (t855)
UTG (t1200)
MP (t905)
Button (t1380)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t200) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t200) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t200) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t125</font>, Hero calls t125.

Final Pot: t450
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Old 12-10-2005, 07:18 AM
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This one sure isn't in my playbook. Hero is either a genius, a nut, or misclicked.
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Old 12-10-2005, 07:24 AM
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Default Re: Curtains Hand #3 (Degen)

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This one sure isn't in my playbook. Hero is either a genius, a nut, or misclicked.

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none of the above. He's just from the wild west.... , a sucker for showdowns [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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Old 12-10-2005, 07:36 AM
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Default Re: Curtains Hand #3 (Degen)

Seems like a reasonable call to me. I think it would be a poor fold. Villain, certainly does not have A high. He either has Curtains crushed, or has nothing at all. This is a hand (Curtains hand) that undoubtably will/should often be bet, but its so hard to pull the trigger on a bet that might eliminate you from the hand when you have a straight/flush draw, and for good reason. There are 2 reasons that this bet has a high probability of being a bluff:

1) Villain has lots of chips, Hero has very few. Most players bluff far more often (as they should) when they have lots of chips.

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Old 12-10-2005, 08:30 AM
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Default Re: Curtains Hand #3 (Degen)

I pretty much always pass or raise these hands - I figure he has 33 or something. I know it's not important in terms of the decision, but what was the result?
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Old 12-10-2005, 08:32 AM
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Default Re: Curtains Hand #3 (Degen)

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but what was the result?

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I'll let curtains and some of the other big dogs tear into this tomorrow, then I'll post that.
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Old 12-10-2005, 10:03 AM
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Default Re: Curtains Hand #3 (Degen)

Curtains Play Baat
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Old 12-10-2005, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: Curtains Hand #3 (Degen)

I won't be making this one a habit anytime soon. Why can't SB have a 7 or an 8?

I can see the logic though. He probably doesn't have A high or a pocketpair since he would raise preflop a lot of the time with those hands.

If he has a K or a J one would expect him to bet the flop.

Then again he could have missed a flop check/raise and gotten scared with the 8 falling on the turn.

I don't think I like it though.
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Old 12-10-2005, 02:03 PM
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Default Re: Curtains Hand #3 (Degen)

IMO he can be betting A high, a rivered pair, unlikely straight, or some other slowly played pair too often to make this a call. I don't think it's a terrible call, but I don't think it's +EV. I guess that's all that can be said about this hand; everyone just has to chime in with their opinion.
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Old 12-10-2005, 02:12 PM
Melchiades Melchiades is offline
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Default Re: Curtains Hand #3 (Degen)

Would have been interesting to see the reception this post have gotten if it wasn't curtains who played the hand.

Or if you switched hero and villain and asked people what they thought of villains call with Q high.
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