reraising a short all-in

[Meatmaw]

I'm hoping someone in B&M has some wisdom from the live games that they can impart on this rules issue (which we only partially resolved in 1-table-T). I was asking if a shortstack raises less than the minimum raise whether it was true that the original bettor could not reraise, and it was true apparently, but then the question came up on whether a limper can raise if said limper limps and a shortstack goes all in.

i.e.

Blinds 100/200, A limps, B goes all in with total stack of 300. Can A raise if everyone in front calls? I would think no, but apparently some claim that online the limper is allowed to (not claiming it's right, just that it happens).

Thanks.

if someone is all in, and there are 2 or more still in the hand, you can continue to raise.

Basically blinds at 100/200, if a limps for 200, b goes all in for 300, c can either call the 300 or raise it to 600

[Randy_Refeld]

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Blinds 100/200, A limps, B goes all in with total stack of 300. Can A raise if everyone in front calls? I would think no, but apparently some claim that online the limper is allowed to (not claiming it's right, just that it happens).

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A cannot reraise, he has already acted on his hand and a partial bet does not reopen the action in no limit poker. Note: I understand in AC they play NL by limit rules which would reopen the betting.

Ok im confused, why wouldnt a be able to reraise?

If b has 300 total, he is calling the blind and raising 100, if a wanted to couldnt he come over the top?

[Randy_Refeld]

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Ok im confused, why wouldnt a be able to reraise?

If b has 300 total, he is calling the blind and raising 100, if a wanted to couldnt he come over the top?

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The big blind was 200. Making it 300 is not a raise (in NL) it is action only. When a calsl the 200 the extra 100 back to him is not a raise. If a is in the blind he has not acted yet so he can raise.

Here is another example. Player A bets $50, player B go all=in for $99, player C calls the $99, player A's options are to fold or call the additional $49, he bet teh $50 and less than a full raise does not open the action to the palyers that have already acted. Some online sites allow a raise in this spot and some unqualified floormen (and managers) allow a raise in this spot. In AC I understadn they play by limit ruls so they allow a rasie in this spot, but the standard NL rule is less than a full raise is action only and does not reopen the betting.

I have never seen that before, then again I havent played much NL other than online... interesting.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

MOST casinos is vegas will not allow you to re-open the betting if someone reraises all-in, but not enough to be a full minimum reraise. A FEW use the "50% rule" which allows the limper (or original bettor) to reraise if the all-in short raise is at least 50% of the original bet. TDA rules use the "100%" criteria. I personally think it should be 100% everywhere to standardize the rules, but I guess you just need to know what's up in the particular casino you're playing in.

al