I got berated at the table for this...... - Page 4

TStoneMBD · #31 04-26-2005, 12:14 AM

ishmael, there are 2 players in the hand.

if it was heads up and you knew the opponent had a straight, you would not cap the flop unless you could get a free card a reasonable amount of time.

however, 3 handed, if you knew both of the opponents hands and saw that your pot equity is 33%, you could cap just for the hell of it while your equity would be neutral.

in the long run, top pair with a jack high flush draw has far more than 33% equity in a 3 way pot. that is why you cap. not only are you building equity but you are also positioning yourself for a free card.

CallMeIshmael · #32 04-26-2005, 12:24 PM

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if it was heads up and you knew the opponent had a straight, you would not cap the flop unless you could get a free card a reasonable amount of time.

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again, that isnt going to happen

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however, 3 handed, if you knew both of the opponents hands and saw that your pot equity is 33%, you could cap just for the hell of it while your equity would be neutral.

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Im aware of this.

My contention is that he doesnt have a 33% equity when he KNOWS that villian has a straight.

If the 3rd party has nothing bad a BD flush:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 35.0683 % [ 00.34 00.01 ] { Js7s }
Hand 2: 58.2687 % [ 00.54 00.04 ] { 4h3d }
Hand 3: 06.6630 % [ 00.03 00.04 ] { As3h }

The cap is +EV, slightly.

The problem I see is that like 5% of the time (5 = estimate... I dont know the real number), PBob has like 0 EV in this hand, because the third party has a bigger flush draw.

Also, we dont know if the other villian isnt "slowplaying" a set. This could be like 3% of the time or so. This cuts into our equity as well.

A flush draw is what, 1.9-1? That means, that for the cap to be +EV (when we KNOW there is a straight out there) then we have to win a very large portion of the time our flush gets there.

(of course, we have a BD full house draw to help)

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in the long run, top pair with a jack high flush draw has far more than 33% equity in a 3 way pot. that is why you cap. not only are you building equity but you are also positioning yourself for a free card.

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Again, this is the portion of the thread where villian shows us a straight.

Capping is megaeasy without being shown the straight.

Chairman Wood · #33 04-26-2005, 12:55 PM

Awesome

Chairman Wood · #34 04-26-2005, 12:56 PM

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would call his 3-bet

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No

flair1239 · #35 04-26-2005, 01:08 PM

I like the whole thing. I would love it if there were reads, and you were on the button.

The flop is standard as far as I am concerned.

frank_iii · #36 04-26-2005, 02:49 PM

What exactly did they berate you for?

Raising preflop would have been really manly.

Raise preflop. Beat a flopped straight with a rivered flush. Hilarity ensues.

PokerBob · #37 04-26-2005, 03:19 PM

When the turn hit, UTG typed in "I think you capped your draw", and then folded. After the hand he said, "Keep capping your draws." I giggled.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG 3-bets, MP3 calls, Hero caps, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, MP3 calls.

River: (10.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below: 
MP3 has 5c 8s (one pair, fives).
Hero has 7d Jd (flush, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.50 BB.

alul · #38 04-26-2005, 03:40 PM

Well, he's not bad. UTG I mean. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

TStoneMBD · #39 04-26-2005, 03:41 PM

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however, 3 handed, if you knew both of the opponents hands and saw that your pot equity is 33%, you could cap just for the hell of it while your equity would be neutral.

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notice i put a little disclaimer in there.

CallMeIshmael · #40 04-26-2005, 03:46 PM

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however, 3 handed, if you knew both of the opponents hands and saw that your pot equity is 33%, you could cap just for the hell of it while your equity would be neutral.

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notice i put a little disclaimer in there.

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Ahh... I missed that

Yes, if both of your opponents turned over their hands, and our equity is > 33+, I like the cap.