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Old 11-21-2005, 08:32 PM
MCS MCS is offline
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Default Re: Fresno St? East Coast Bias?

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Those numbers are badly flawed because they don't take into account margin of victory.

When you do, Fresno State looks MUCH better. Sagarin predictor has them 14th.

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Sagarin is on crack.


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Is he? Why do you think that? The people who set lines think that Predictor is quite accurate, and I'd say linemakers know what they're doing better than just about anyone. Certainly better than (almost) every fan.

YOU didn't seem to think he was "on crack" when you quoted his Elo-Chess number in your original post.

P.S. Jack of Arcades is right, except I think he meant to say "objective."
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Old 11-21-2005, 08:35 PM
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P.S. Jack of Arcades is right, except I think he meant to say "objective."

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I ALWAYS do that.
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Old 11-21-2005, 08:51 PM
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Default Re: Fresno St? East Coast Bias?

I never said they weren't out of wack. I just said they were unbiased.
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Old 11-21-2005, 08:54 PM
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Those numbers are badly flawed because they don't take into account margin of victory.

When you do, Fresno State looks MUCH better. Sagarin predictor has them 14th.

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Sagarin is on crack.

His predictor has Purdue at 30th, Bama at 35th. Michigan State 17th! LOL.

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Does anyone else find it hilarious that you point to computers to overrate Fresno, but discredit them when they don't agree with your own, subjective rankings?

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Would anyone in their right mind bet on Purdue against Bama without any points?
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Old 11-21-2005, 09:04 PM
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Would anyone in their right mind bet on Purdue against Bama without any points?

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Of course.

There's a few gigantic Big Ten homers out there who take those teams to win against all out-of-conference teams all the time. One is a co-worker of mine. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd take Illinois over USC. I'm not kidding.

His "right mind" obviously is not.
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Old 11-21-2005, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: Fresno St? East Coast Bias?

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Would anyone in their right mind bet on Purdue against Bama without any points?

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Of course.

There's a few gigantic Big Ten homers out there who take those teams to win against all out-of-conference teams all the time. One is a co-worker of mine. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd take Illinois over USC. I'm not kidding.

His "right mind" obviously is not.

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OSU/PSU/UM is a pretty ridiculous trio
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Old 11-22-2005, 12:04 AM
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Check out these computer ratings:
40 16 33 36 28 23

LOL. Yeah, must be some East Coast Bias in the computers too.

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Same computers that rank Texas above USC 5 out of 6?

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Old 11-22-2005, 12:04 AM
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Default Re: Fresno St? East Coast Bias?

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Would anyone in their right mind bet on Purdue against Bama without any points?

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Of course.

There's a few gigantic Big Ten homers out there who take those teams to win against all out-of-conference teams all the time. One is a co-worker of mine. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd take Illinois over USC. I'm not kidding.

His "right mind" obviously is not.

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OSU/PSU/UM is a pretty ridiculous trio

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You can throw Iowa in there too. They are playing some really good ball right now.
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Old 11-22-2005, 01:01 AM
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Default Re: Fresno St? East Coast Bias?

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Those numbers are badly flawed because they don't take into account margin of victory.

When you do, Fresno State looks MUCH better. Sagarin predictor has them 14th.

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Sagarin is on crack.

His predictor has Purdue at 30th, Bama at 35th. Michigan State 17th! LOL.

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Does anyone else find it hilarious that you point to computers to overrate Fresno, but discredit them when they don't agree with your own, subjective rankings?

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Would anyone in their right mind bet on Purdue against Bama without any points?

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I'd certainly argue it's a lot closer than people think. Maybe I'm crazy, but I would consider taking Purdue with no points if they were at home.

It's not like Alabama has been great. They're a mirage. They had trouble with a few bad teams and won close games for a while, then lost to the two good teams they played, one of them at home.
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Old 11-22-2005, 12:10 PM
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Default Re: Fresno St? East Coast Bias?

Of course. When I said take the points with Purdue vs PSU (I think the line was pretty high, like 17), I was laughed out of the SB forum. Purdue is likely the best 9th best team in any league.
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