KK on this turn

QTip · #1 08-19-2005, 01:24 PM

Both villains are semei-loose and semi-aggressive

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero ?

ricdaman · #2 08-19-2005, 01:37 PM

You need to bet the turn to see where you are at.

Once you bet, if they simply cold-call, then you are probably still ahead. If MP1 raises, then I would fold. He probably has you beat. If MP2 raises, then I might call depending upon what hand you put him on. His raise pre-flop suggests a PP smaller than yours or two overcards. The only thing he might have is two suited (spades) overcards, where the turn gave him the flush, so again, it depends upon your knoweldge of MP2 as to what he might raise with.

The worst thing to do here is check. The last thing you want to do is give your opponents a chance a free miracle card.

DMBFan23 · #3 08-19-2005, 01:38 PM

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You need to bet the turn to see where you are at.

Once you bet, if they simply cold-call, then you are probably still ahead. If MP1 raises, then I would fold. He probably has you beat. If MP2 raises, then I might call depending upon what hand you put him on. His raise pre-flop suggests a PP smaller than yours or two overcards. The only thing he might have is two suited (spades) overcards, where the turn gave him the flush, so again, it depends upon your knoweldge of MP2 as to what he might raise with.

The worst thing to do here is check. The last thing you want to do is give your opponents a chance a free miracle card.

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you know any spade gives you the second nuts right?

meep_42 · #4 08-19-2005, 01:49 PM

Folding the turn here is horrible.

-d

callmedonnie · #5 08-19-2005, 01:39 PM

I would bet. If raised, I think I have to call and see if the spade drops. king high is pretty good in my book.

Brunger · #6 08-19-2005, 01:40 PM

Hmm I think that I would bet because I have no reason to assume I am behind yet and the board is super scary so you would think that betting would be bettor if someone had a str8 or flush and even if check raised you still have outs. Plus you have to give them a chance to draw to the J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

LesWormMurphy · #7 08-19-2005, 01:41 PM

You are almost certainly beat here. Your only GUARANTEED out is the Ace of spades, otherwise, if any other spade falls, anybody holding the Ace(spades)-rag has you beat.

Also, because your playing with many opponents, your drawing hard against anybody with a 4 or 9.

I think this a check/fold. Though you need to protect your hand, it's going to be hard to protect it when nobody's bet yet, when the turn hurt you, when the pot is only moderately big, and because you can still get raised by the people still left in the pot.

Check, fold to a bet.

sfer · #8 08-19-2005, 01:43 PM

Before pooping your pants because the board is scary at least take the time to wipe and notice that hero is last to act.

meep_42 · #9 08-19-2005, 01:51 PM

Seriously, you'd fold this for 1 bet on the turn?

That's so weak. So very, very, very weak.

-d

private joker · #10 08-19-2005, 09:26 PM

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You are almost certainly beat here.

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Was I the only one who saw this nightmare?

What's your reasoning for saying this, that Hero is "almost certainly beat." Is it because his opponents just called the flop and checked the turn to him? You know, come to think of it, that is pretty scary. I'd fold. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]