Utterly confused with KK - Page 3

Sarge85 · #21 03-02-2005, 02:47 PM

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Man...can't blame you for being confused...this hand is horribly tough for me.

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Actually look at all the information you have to make this less tough...

Hero Raises in late position after limpers - BB calls, as well as limpers.

Flop - UTG bets into the PF Raiser. - PF Raiser raises again.

Turn - BB bets into UTG AND the PF/Flop Raiser

River - MP1 bets into all of them....

None really fear an Ace - do you think they fear KK?

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Fat Nicky · #22 03-02-2005, 02:49 PM

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to limit the already large field and give me a better chance of winning the hand, there was only "1 or 2" callers in front of me.

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This is a weak argument for raising the flop.

QTip · #23 03-02-2005, 02:51 PM

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None really fear an Ace - do you think they fear KK?

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I was a little concerned with BB leading the turn, but not that much given the description.

The river bet was the one that worried me.

Are you folding the flop like the chief?

QTip · #24 03-02-2005, 02:52 PM

Meaning...LAP never seem to fear much of anything.

Fat Nicky · #25 03-02-2005, 02:53 PM

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I was a little concerned with BB leading the turn, but not that much given the description.

The river bet was the one that worried me.

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Why were you more concerned with the river bet, the river certainly wasn't a scare card.

QTip · #26 03-02-2005, 02:55 PM

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but MP1 is pretty passive and now he bets

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Fat Nicky · #27 03-02-2005, 02:56 PM

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but MP1 is pretty passive and now he bets

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i gotcha, forgot about the action in the hand...

QTip · #28 03-02-2005, 02:56 PM

The other thing that scared me there was that if I wanted to call for the showdown, I wasn't sure if one of those LAGs were going for the c/r.

Sarge85 · #29 03-02-2005, 03:03 PM

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None really fear an Ace - do you think they fear KK?

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I was a little concerned with BB leading the turn, but not that much given the description.

The river bet was the one that worried me.

Are you folding the flop like the chief?

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Yes.

Raising the flop probably makes fold the turn even easier though. --

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LinusKS · #30 03-02-2005, 04:12 PM

If I've done my math right (always a big if) the odds that someone is dealt an ace at a full table are about 80%.

Given the number of players to the flop, the kind of players, and the early bet, I'd guess the odds in this case are quite a bit worse than that.

It looks like raising is just throwing away chips to me, and folding is probably best. You might convince me calling is ok, based on implied odds if you hit your two-outer, + the small chance the flop-bettor checks the turn.

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call me weak/tight, but i fold the flop. in hands like this when it's multiway, i too often find myself spewing chips only to show down a 2nd or 3rd best hand.

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