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#41
10-05-2005, 04:20 PM
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All the Debate Proves the Point
You can't fold AK here. Might you be up against KQ sure. Might you be up a set of x, sure. Might you be up against J10, or J10 of spades, or A10 of spades or QJ of spades, yup. AK just plays to well against that range to fold.
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#42
10-05-2005, 04:21 PM
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Re: interesting WPT tournament hand
I don't like hero's line.
If he intends to check the turn if called then hero should bet less. If he intends to lead the turn then maybe bet more. He should bet less because he has already anounced a big hand, and should try and keep the pot small.
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#43
10-05-2005, 04:24 PM
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Re: interesting WPT tournament hand
Yes.
It also depends on the pro and his read of villain.
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#44
10-05-2005, 04:28 PM
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Re: interesting WPT tournament hand
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[ QUOTE ] Maybe, a pocket pair still has outs for starters. This hand is about fold equity against a tight player. I have no idea what villain's capabilities are here but hero has backed away from the hand (after leading the flop), and villain doesn't need a hand to represent KQ or (55). Hero is probably uncomfortable for having missed the opportunity to raise BTF. Essentially I think the possibility of the Harrington 10% is not out of the question. [/ QUOTE ] You honestly think the villain called with say... 99? There is really no logic behind your reasoning, you are just saying its possible. I can't honestly beleive the villain would call with junk with 4 people behind him, with the intention of blowing the internet donk off of tptk on a blank turn. [/ QUOTE ] the fact that people are saying that you should fold AK leads me to think that a garbage hand / superdraw is possible. I didn't say that the hero had a internet donkey read. Just that he hadn't played very many hands and possibly had a weaktight image to the pro. Probably the pro could tell that it was his first big tourney and he didn't want to go home just yet.
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#45
10-05-2005, 04:28 PM
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Re: All the Debate Proves the Point
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All the debate proves the point that this would be a great bluff if it 1) was against an opponent who looks to know what he's doing, 2) wasn't after a weird preflop situation that may very well have given your opponent tunnel vision, and 3) didn't require calling on the flop with 2^20 people behind. [/ QUOTE ] If pro's bluffing here, he plays bad poker, IHMO.
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#46
10-05-2005, 04:30 PM
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Re: interesting WPT tournament hand
Pro was Joe Cassidy.
Hero was our own Double Eagle. DE tanked for 3 minutes and finally decided that this was his hand and pushed. Cassidy reluctantly called. DE said, "KQ?" JC said, "nope" and flipped over KJ. AK holds up.
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#47
10-05-2005, 04:32 PM
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Re: All the Debate Proves the Point
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] All the debate proves the point that this would be a great bluff if it 1) was against an opponent who looks to know what he's doing, 2) wasn't after a weird preflop situation that may very well have given your opponent tunnel vision, and 3) didn't require calling on the flop with 2^20 people behind. [/ QUOTE ] If pro's bluffing here, he plays bad poker, IHMO. [/ QUOTE ] it should be noted that the blinds checked, so he only has two players who haven't acted on the flop.
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#48
10-05-2005, 04:32 PM
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Re: interesting WPT tournament hand
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Pro was Joe Cassidy. Hero was our own Double Eagle. DE tanked for 3 minutes and finally decided that this was his hand and pushed. Cassidy reluctantly called. DE said, "KQ?" JC said, "nope" and flipped over KJ. AK holds up. [/ QUOTE ] I think pro played horribly.
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#49
10-05-2005, 04:33 PM
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Re: All the Debate Proves the Point
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] All the debate proves the point that this would be a great bluff if it 1) was against an opponent who looks to know what he's doing, 2) wasn't after a weird preflop situation that may very well have given your opponent tunnel vision, and 3) didn't require calling on the flop with 2^20 people behind. [/ QUOTE ] If pro's bluffing here, he plays bad poker, IHMO. [/ QUOTE ] it should be noted that the blinds checked, so he only has two players who haven't acted on the flop. [/ QUOTE ] What % of time does hero check this flop? Everyone has position on hero.
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#50
10-05-2005, 04:33 PM
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Re: interesting WPT tournament hand
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Pro was Joe Cassidy. Hero was our own Double Eagle. DE tanked for 3 minutes and finally decided that this was his hand and pushed. Cassidy reluctantly called. DE said, "KQ?" JC said, "nope" and flipped over KJ. AK holds up. [/ QUOTE ] I think pro played horribly. [/ QUOTE ] i agree.
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