Doh!!!

[sam h]

Iraqi security forces had al-Zarqawi in custody last year but let him go because they didn't realize who he was. They may need to stand up a little higher before we can stand down.

al-Zarqawi is not as important as our government makes him out to be. Bush & co has built him up so that they can declare victory if we capture him. Orwell wrote about this concept in 1984 (the nightly scream time when you scream at the figure head of the group you are at war with).

His capture will do nothing on the ground in Iraq, but it may effect public opinion in the US.

[BCPVP]

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Bush & co has built him up so that they can declare victory if we capture him.

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The left seems to have the same idea about bin Laden, as if once he's captured/killed our troubles are over...

[Roybert]

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Bush & co has built him up so that they can declare victory if we capture him.

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The left seems to have the same idea about bin Laden, as if once he's captured/killed our troubles are over...

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Maybe the liberals also like the idea of bringing a man who killed 3000 Americans to justice.

[Andrew Fletcher]

No, the liberals just think Bin Laden might have some insight about how to force all red-blooded american men to turn in their guns and become homos.

I know. Bin Laden was on the international jewish conspirarcy conference call last night where we discussed, among other things, the war on christmas.

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Bush & co has built him up so that they can declare victory if we capture him.

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Maybe the liberals also like the idea of bringing a man who killed 3000 Americans to justice.

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Conservatives would like the same thing. It's just most of us realize that it isn't over when bin Laden is captured, just as it isn't over in Iraq when Zarqawi is captured. Forest for the trees, dude.

[Roybert]

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Bush & co has built him up so that they can declare victory if we capture him.

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Maybe the liberals also like the idea of bringing a man who killed 3000 Americans to justice.

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Conservatives would like the same thing. It's just most of us realize that it isn't over when bin Laden is captured, just as it isn't over in Iraq when Zarqawi is captured. Forest for the trees, dude.

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My point is that your original premise is absurd. Liberals want to capture bin Laden to a) bring him to justice for the crimes he's committed, and b) prevent him from committing any further crimes. To say that we want to capture him because we think that would be the be-all, end-all to the war on terror is ludicrous and makes you sound like an idealogue.

[bobman0330]

Now let's get it straight here. Are you in favor of detaining suspected terrorists without evidence, or are you against it?

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Now let's get it straight here. Are you in favor of detaining suspected terrorists without evidence, or are you against it?

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Of course I am opposed to detaining people without evidence. But I am supportive of figuring out whether people picked up in dragnets are in fact local public enemy #1. Apparently Zarqawi had a decent disguise going. But the fact that the Iraqi forces themselves, much less some ordinary American soldier, have very little ability to match suspects with known terrorists or to tell a Jordanian from an Iraqi, augurs poorly for the security situation.

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Now let's get it straight here. Are you in favor of detaining suspected terrorists without evidence, or are you against it?

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Of course I am opposed to detaining people without evidence. But I am supportive of figuring out whether people picked up in dragnets are in fact local public enemy #1. Apparently Zarqawi had a decent disguise going. But the fact that the Iraqi forces themselves, much less some ordinary American soldier, have very little ability to match suspects with known terrorists or to tell a Jordanian from an Iraqi, augurs poorly for the security situation.

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Just to be clear then in line with the question asked of you and your response, you do advocate detaining such suspects until we can be sure that they are not a threat, is that correct? Like we have done with some suspects for 2 or 3 years?