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FUC YOU GUYS YOU THINK YOU ARE SUCH THE LITTLE FRANCHISE I PISS ON 2+2 BUT I WOULDNT PISS ON YOU ALL IF YOU WERE ON FIRE [censored] LAME COCSUKIN FAGGGOTS

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Mom? Is that you? I told you not to use the computer when I'm not home.

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And I don't see why we can't express our dislike for certain poker players here. They want tv time? Then they should get the stuff that comes with having it, the good and the bad.

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If this site does have a policy of banning people for bad mouthing T.V. players, then how come there wasn't a dozen or so bannings from the posts in the Tiffany Williamson thread alone.


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There was.

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After reading this post, I have no reason to look at the reg. date under your name. It's got to be pretty recent if you think there is much chance of this scenario playing out.

[maurile]

The quality of this forum improved when moderation of the trolls was stepped up a while back, and I appreciate the effort Dynasty and Mat have put into it.

That said, Paul Phillips was not a troll, and nothing in his deleted post was moderation-worthy (IMO).

Banning him is an even worse decision than (effectively) banning Abdul was.

2+2 will still be the best poker discussion forum on the 'net even with Paul Phillips gone, at least in the short run and probably for the forseeable future.

Just don't ban Barry Greenstein, Gigabet, Fossilman, and MajorKong next. They are all in the same category as Paul Phillips and Abdul Jalib were -- consistently insightful posters whose thoughts are (were) always worth reading. Axe too many of those guys (and similar posters), and everyone else will start to leave as well.

[Subby]

Paul Phillips banned but Vince Lepore still posting.

Yeah. That makes sense.

[spsurfin_Michael]

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It was just one moderator: me. What happened here is not about multiple moderators. This forum has one: Dynasty. I am the only other person who might take action here. So people can direct their anger and disappointment at me .


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Mat,
What is the point of expressing an opinion either directly in a related thread or via PM to the forum moderator?

I have questioned Dynasty three times and sent him the following PM—since he will not respond in private, I will post it in public. May be you will respond.


The following is my PM to Dnyasty:

Dynasty,

I made the following post (see below) questioning your decisions. I see that you posted a sticky regarding the Terms & Conditions” that I pointed out to you in my post. I have not followed any of the “Tiffany” threads as I have no interest in reading juvenile irrational diatribes. The fact that some members are arguing the motivation of members criticizing her play as being racially motivated is proof enough of the diatribes I am referring to. It seems pretty rare to find any thread that does not contain some flaming or insulting comments (e.g. RGP).

My choice not to read these threads is mine alone and when I come across content I do not care to read, I simply stop reading and move on to another thread. Seems like a mature decision or common sense to me.

These comments do not negate my deep concerns regarding what could be easily misconstrued as hypocritical, irrational, overreaction, and unjustified actions taken by you. I honestly believe you owe us an explanation of the sudden change in your personal policy of ignoring the “Terms and Conditions” to suddenly enforcing them only when it relates to Tiffany. Your integrity is in question and this question must be answered.

I would greatly appreciate a response from you.

Respectfully,

Michael


This is a copy of my post in an active thread that he also ignored:

Help me understand this:

Quoting this portion of the "Terms of Usage"

"Operating Policies"

The operating policies of 2+2 set forth the rules that govern your activity on the 2+2 website. While using 2+2 website, you may not post or transmit any unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, profane, or otherwise objectionable information of any kind; including without limitation any transmissions constituting or encouraging conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any local, state, national or international laws.

While you are free to post on the 2+2 website using an alias, you may not post pretending to be someone else.

2+2 and ConJelCo reserve the right to refuse to post or to remove any information or materials, in whole or in part, that, in its sole discretion, are unacceptable, undesirable, or in violation of this Agreement. Continued abuse will result in your being banned from posting on the 2+2 website."



Exactly how does criticizing a player’s play qualify as an offense that warrants a suspension? Certainly personal attacks would qualify, but strategic differences of opinion do not qualify.

Secondarily, is it the Moderator’s intention to only apply the “policy” to “Tiffany” related posts or will this policy be enforced for all members. I see player after player being referred to as “donks” and worse. Chris Moneymaker, Greg Reymer and Phil Hellmuth have taken their fare share of “abuse” so where are all those member suspensions? Pick any subject and you will consistently find violations of the “Terms of Usage.”

If you expect all the members to follow rules, then the Moderations must follow the rules too—not just when it is convenient for them. The Moderators must be impartial to all disputes and specifically not become emotionally involved.

I believe the Moderators owe the members of this board an explanation of this inconsistent enforcement of the rules. Obviously, the Moderators have made a serious error and a significant injustice followed—they have punished some members, but not others.

It is my opinion that the Moderators owe the membership an apology, and need to make restitution to the members they selectively and emotionally punished. The Moderators need to equally and fairly administer to rules and take responsibility when they make mistakes.

Respectfully,

Michael

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You have now been permanently banned from this site.

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What happened in the Lee Jones thread?

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I can't find the thread, its in the books forum maybe in the last year. If someone finds it and posts it you might see some parallels.

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After reading through this I can only assume that some of the current mods would have to ban some of the peoplein there who were making comments that--in current settings-- woudl EASILY be bannable offenses. And I think it seems obvious who the mods would be banning from that thread...::whistles while minding his own business::

[zipo]

I just reread the post by Paul Phillips (which was reproduced on his own website) that led to his permanent banning on 2+2.

I must say that I am absolutely astonished that he would be permanently sitebanned for that post (or more accurately, for refusing to publicly and privately apologize for making that post). Of course, I do acknowledge (as 2+2 is a private, corporate forum) your absolute right to be as unfair, capricious, or draconian as you choose.

I would also like some clarification or guidance, if you would kindly deign to do so, as to whether such comments or observations by myself and/or others are tolerable or at least permitted.

Thank you very much in advance for your considering my humble question.

[Rduke55]

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ILL SAY IT SENSE NONE OF YOU OTHER FAGGGOTS GOT THE SACK TO DO IT. MASON, SKLANSKY AND ALL YOU OTHER FUCIN HOMOSEXUAL MODS [censored] OFF [censored] OFF [censored] OFF [censored] OFF [censored] OFF [censored] OFF [censored] OFF [censored] OFF [censored] [censored] OFF [censored] OFF [censored] OFF [censored] OFF

FUC YOU GUYS YOU THINK YOU ARE SUCH THE LITTLE FRANCHISE I PISS ON 2+2 BUT I WOULDNT PISS ON YOU ALL IF YOU WERE ON FIRE [censored] LAME COCSUKIN FAGGGOTS

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Paul?