Jerk of the Day - Page 4

bernie · #31 12-08-2005, 06:05 PM

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The rule is there to prevent collusion. 99 times out of 100, this rule is not used for collusion. It's used for information.

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So what?

It's also used for information that the asker most likely isn't going to use, or know how to use to make much of a difference. Most of the time it's asked just out of curiousity. Usually by a player who folded on a prior street who is seeing if his hand was better. Also consider that many people coming into the game now are used to seeing hands at showdown with TV. So they're also more likely to be asking in terms of being a spectator than to try and make strategy adjustments against you. Which I think was also true before TV made it popular.

People get way too uptight about it.

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B Dids · #32 12-08-2005, 07:30 PM

How does that Wiki article not link to Tommy's essay.

Everybody saying the rule is legal needs to read about and understand why the rules exists.

mostsmooth · #33 12-08-2005, 07:39 PM

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"heres the short version of the above:
winner asks to see losers hand at showdown. yawn. "

Come on, The guy is out of line. For some reason I get a really uncomfortable feeling any time a winning player asks to see a losing player's hand. This instance is particularly uncalled for.

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i didnt say anybody wasnt out of line.

andyfox · #34 12-08-2005, 08:32 PM

Bravo.

bobbyi · #35 12-08-2005, 08:37 PM

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Everybody saying the rule is legal needs to read about and understand why the rules exists.

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Read about this where? Nobody really knows the origins or this rule. I would assume that it was invented just out of a philosophical notion that a "showdown" involves showing down all the hands, so you are entitled to see them all if you really want to. There are a lot of other popular theories, but I've never see any solid evidence for any of them being the true origin. The "collusion detection" mentioned in the thread is particularly silly since this rule doesn't even make sense to be used that way since if you are colluding to build the pot, you would just always have the guy without the real hand fold for the last bet and the rule then doesn't let you see his hand.

andyfox · #36 12-08-2005, 08:37 PM

In case I didn't make it clear, wasn't me involved in the hand. Yes, I see the guy as a jerk in general, because he's done jerky things before. But I don't think that's coloring my perception of the incident. It's just the wrong thing to do. It's rubbing salt in the wound. Against an opponent who's nothing anything other than gentlemanly.

We're all human beings first, poker players second, no?

andyfox · #37 12-08-2005, 08:40 PM

There's no question the asker in this case wasn't looking for information. It was obvious to everyone and his cousin what the other guy had anyway.

I always show when somebody asks. I'm not upset that he asked to see another person's cards. I'm always upset when a person is an unprovoked jerk towards a person who has treated him with respect.

adios · #38 12-08-2005, 09:06 PM

I don't remember the hand I had exactly but I was playing at the local casino several years ago and ended up with quads on the river. It was heads up, I showed, my opponent mucks and a player not involved in that hand asks to see the hand that was mucked. A quite heated barage of insults ensued from both of these guys towards each other. It definitely was not conducive to a pleasant atmosphere.

nolanfan34 · #39 12-09-2005, 02:39 AM

Great story.

Reminds me of one I had to just laugh at recently. Small stakes table, and I mucked a losing hand at showdown in seat 9, and the player in seat 1 apparently asked to see my hand.

I asked the dealer who had asked, because I was curious. And the 1 seat leaned forward so I could see him around the dealer, and informed me with a straight face that it was he who had asked, "because I want to see what you were raising with". He was so straightforward in saying that, that all I could do really was laugh.

bernie · #40 12-09-2005, 04:57 AM

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But I don't think that's coloring my perception of the incident. It's just the wrong thing to do. It's rubbing salt in the wound.

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I agree if the guys' intent was to rub salt in the wound. Grandstanding and such. I can see that point. It's classless. There are many poor winners out there who every pot they win is like their first. However, that's not so much about the rule as it is about the person doing it.

I've found the best defense against that type is to just act like they are normal and that it doesn't bother you. Even if you're not in the hand. Many times they feed off the reaction. It bugs them not to get a reaction and to be treated normally. (you know this, but I'll put it here for the complete thought)

Other than that, I could care less if someone asks to see a hand no matter who's hand they ask to see. For me, I go to showdown fully aware that anyone at the table might ask to see my hand. For the most part, I just don't see it as that big a deal.

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