Call or raise this monster?

[blackaces13]

Empire 1/2:

PREFLOP: I have 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the BB
MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, I check.

FLOP: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players 5 SBs)
SB bets...

[_Kevin_]

I'd raise. I'd love to get a diamond draw to fold. If not, let's build the pot. I don't like slow playing a hand like this.

[2+2 wannabe]

trips weak kicker on a 2 flush board isn't really a monster

raise

[bozlax]

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trips weak kicker on a 2 flush board isn't really a monster

raise

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Somebody's sarcasm detector is on the fritz...

[blackaces13]

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I'd love to get a diamond draw to fold.

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Yes but considering there is not a chance in hell of that happening I think the main concern should be getting the most $$ into pot at all costs.

If there is a player in the hand with 2 diamonds, and a diamond hits the board that doesn't pair the board or is a 7 then I will lose the hand regardless.

[lautzutao]

raise please.

[Blunderfull1]

Raise for value, you cant get a diamond draw to fold.

[SlantNGo]

My first instinct here is to raise... however, a diamond draw isn't going anywhere, there are no straight draws, and we want to keep overcards in, so a call isn't bad. If we call though, what should we do on the turn? How often SB will lead the turn and how we plan to react to that should decide whether we call or raise this flop.

[blackaces13]

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My first instinct here is to raise... however, a diamond draw isn't going anywhere, there are no straight draws, and we want to keep overcards in, so a call isn't bad. If we call though, what should we do on the turn? How often SB will lead the turn and how we plan to react to that should decide whether we call or raise this flop.

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Excellent response, this is just what I was thinking. My plan would be to bet/raise the turn no matter what SB did, I'd either be leading or raising, but as you say its another decision that should be considered carefully.

FWIW I went into uncreative mode and simply raised the flop, folded everyoen behind me, and took it down on the turn with an uncalled bet. I feel as though I cut off my action unecessarily.

[Aaron W.]

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My first instinct here is to raise... however, a diamond draw isn't going anywhere, there are no straight draws, and we want to keep overcards in, so a call isn't bad. If we call though, what should we do on the turn? How often SB will lead the turn and how we plan to react to that should decide whether we call or raise this flop.

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Excellent response, this is just what I was thinking. My plan would be to bet/raise the turn no matter what SB did, I'd either be leading or raising, but as you say its another decision that should be considered carefully.

FWIW I went into uncreative mode and simply raised the flop, folded everyoen behind me, and took it down on the turn with an uncalled bet. I feel as though I cut off my action unecessarily.

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But you learned an interesting lesson about SB *AND* you have position on him...