Is it okay to not tip in a 5-10 game with a $7 rake?

i played the 100 max NL game for the first time last night at windsor and 5 minutes into it i had to pay a 6 dollar time charge. the rake is huge already and they charge 6 every half hour? seems extreme since it's a 100 MAX table.
i might just stick to limit.

[MicroBob]

I have read that many of the poker-rooms in Indiana and Illinois also have a $6 max-rake (sometimes with another $1 on top for BBJ). Steamboatin would know more about this.


It's just kind of the standard in that region for some reason....but if the players will pay it then what's to stop the casinos from charging it?


I also don't think the dealers should be 'punished' for their high rake.
Tipping $0.50 sometimes might be okay.

It's not like you're going to clobber this game for a huge profit anyway....regardless of whether you tip or not.

Also - if you think there is a dealer or two that is cutting you a slight break on the tip (not quite taking the next dollar out sometimes) then I think a tip is a decent reward there.

I don't think that whether or not the tips are pooled should make much of a difference...but obviously pooled tips means you are also tipping the dealers there who suck which many people don't like.
I'm used to that though just from my blackjack playing as well as dealing days where the tips are ALWAYS pooled...regardless of whether they're pooled or not, the dealers appreciate the gesture (or will resent getting 'stiffed' if that's what it is coming to)

[MookieBlaylock]

Jeez, find a new casino.

[stabn]

I consider a 6 dollar rake the same as a check that already has tip included. If the dealer does really well i might give something extra, but a $6 rake has way more than enough built in to pay the dealers a fair wage.

[JJNJustin]

I usually dont tip at MC for a few reasons:

1) The rake is very high
2) The tips go into a community pool, which just amounts to subsidy for employee wages, and dont necessarily reward competent dealers
3) The MC poker dealers are not very competent
4) The purposely keep two short handed 5-10 games so not only are they getting $6/hd rake +$1 BB, but they are getting 45 hnds/ hr.

See my post on what is wrong with Detroit Poker. This problem at MC is one of my main gripes.

-J

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they usually have 2 or 3 empty seats at table for an hour+ with 15+ deep on the waitlist. They probably do this deliberately to get the rake faster.

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Wow! if true that is really ****** lame, do they have no competition?
Take your play elsewhere.

[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Dave

[MicroBob]

of course they COULD pay the dealers a fair wage.

Hell...they could pay them a decent wage on just a $3-rake I suspect.
And restaurants could pay their waitresses a better wage too.

The fact is, they just don't.

I suspect that the dealers at MC make $5/hr for their wage...plus whatever they get for tips on top of that (just like most other dealers I believe).


Whether the casino SHOULD take care of them is quite relevent to the discussion...because they COULD take care of them MUCH better far before they ever get to a $6-rake.

[MegumiAmano]

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most forget that a tip is for GOOD SERVICE --- it is not a FORCED part of the game here in the states---
If the service is bad then NO you should not tip
If the pots are small heck no DO NOT TIP

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What does a small pot have to do with the level of service from the dealer? You are contradicting yourself.

[Luv2DriveTT]

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i played the 100 max NL game for the first time last night at windsor and 5 minutes into it i had to pay a 6 dollar time charge. the rake is huge already and they charge 6 every half hour? seems extreme since it's a 100 MAX table.
i might just stick to limit.

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There is no rake, thats why you pay time. But I must admit, thats a rather expensive time charge.

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Wow, Australia is so different. No one tips in Australia - for anything. Its disgusting. I feel sorry for people in the service industry. I make a point of tipping anytime i eat at a restraunt. Unfortunatly, it is illegal to tip dealers at a casino.

Of course, our casino has a VERY differnt approach to the casinos in the states. ive had stupid rants about it in other threads. but lets just say its $10/hand, contributed to by everyone ($1/player) rake for their 5/10 game. So dont feel so hard done by. At least you have a choice of which casinos to support.