Hmmm JTs UTG raise hand

[Fantam]

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guess im the only one who likes 3-betting this flop huh?

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If it was still a multiway pot, I think that you would definitely want to 3-bet the flop to protect your hand.

But once the hand became HU, I think that calling the flop raise allowed OP to disguise the strength of his hand on the later streets, while the risk of being outdrawn had reduced.

[hicherbie]

u really think hes going to bet again with overs or a fd if you check to him?

when i bet out again on the turn, i dont mind if he folds with overs since hes getting the right price to call. this is a decent sized-pot by the time it gets HU.

[hicherbie]

3-betting the flop multiway would be bloating the pot, not protecting my hand.

[TomBrooks]

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u really think hes going to bet again with overs or a fd if you check to him? (on the turn)

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No. That was faulty thinking on my part. Betting out on the turn is advisable because Villian is unlikely to bet and allow you to checkraise with many of the hands he might have.

[hicherbie]

indeed. most of the time i think you lose at least 1 sb by not popping him again on the flop.

I think this is played beautifully. Those of you advising a 3 bet are reading to far, you know at a later point he collected because the villan had a busted draw, but its not impossible for villan to have AJ here which makes hero a bad draw, why 3 bet that? Once the next jack drops, hes more secure, and the check raise river made him more than the extra flop bet would have...
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[baronzeus]

I would 3bet the flop, bet the turn, and go from there. If he has a heart you gotta charge the MFER.

[baronzeus]

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3 betting this flop against a solid player is no good. Why?

-DeathDonkey

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I disagree but I could be wrong. I 3bet this at 3/6 6max and 5/10 6max all day, but those are different games than 4/8 Wynn of course.


People who are saying it is "bloating the pot" are not understanding that villain is going to draw no matter how small/big the pot is. And, since you are +equity over him, you can get your money in on the flop and the turn.

Edit: on another note, going for a checkraise against a "solid player" when he's drawing to hearts on the turn won't work. He'll check behind and take his heart if he's any good.

[hicherbie]

yup. another thing i should have mentioned eariler. with TP on a J high board, he is much more likely to be raising the flop with overs than if this flop had a Q, K or A. you want to value-bet/raise your hand while there are still cards to be seen.

i think brads sng and sng confused villian into value-betting his pair.

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I would 3bet the flop, bet the turn, and go from there. If he has a heart you gotta charge the MFER.

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Heart? what if hes on AJ, KJ, QJ and ur 3 betting...

People call AJ all the time with a UTG raise, but they wont reraise with aj.

Odds are higher that he has a J than a heart.
Unfortunately you already know that he prob had hearts by the way the hand plaeyd out... but i think 3 bet is incorrect here, could be a WA/WB scenario in which we are WB.
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