Hmmm AQs hand

Shillx · #1 03-13-2005, 08:14 AM

There were multiple 2+2er's at the table for this hand, and I got some strange reactions from them. Take a look.

No real read on anyone. The villian seems like a reasonable 25/8/1.2 player after 30 hands. No read on the 3rd player except that he bought in short.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Superhero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Villian raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Superhero calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Superhero checks, Villian bets, MP3 calls, Button calls, Superhero raises, Villian calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Superhero bets, Villian raises, MP3 calls, Button folds, Superhero 3-bets, Villian calls, MP3 calls.

River: (17.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Superhero checks...

How have I played it up to this point? What do you think of the river check? (I honestly don't know what to think of it at this point.)

So if you are in my shoes and you have checked the river (be it right or wrong), what is the plan should the villian bet and MP3 calls? Villian bets and MP3 folds? Also, what do you put the villian on in this spot? I'll give thoughts tomorrow if it proves to be interesting.

Brad

Peter Harris · #2 03-13-2005, 08:24 AM

weird weird weird. I am at a loss too.

Looking at the hand, i guess villian may play QJs, AJ, maybe KQ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] that way? The fact you weren't capped on the turn means i doubt KT is out there. A set is possible, as the villian is a bit passive, but would raise AA QQ JJ.

The third man is concerning too. But totally unreadable; i thing a calling station is more likely than someone slowwwwwplaying.

I call the river. The pot will be nearly 20BB and top 2 pair should win 5% of the time here, so it's sensible to call down and see what the blue christ both players have.

In conclusion:
Villain has either AA QQ JJ AJ (AQ) QJs or KQ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
MP3 will fold the river or show some crap. It may be T8 and he drags the pot, or 99 for the rivered set, but that's poker.

However, your holding is good enough to take 1 in 19 or 20, so a calldown has to be correct.

Am i off? i did say at the top it was weird...

Regards,
Pete Harris

Dave G. · #3 03-13-2005, 08:33 AM

I would call on the river in both situations if it's one bet. Is there any reason not to? Does Villain open-raise KT? Does he play a set of As, Qs or Js this slowly? Those are the only ways I can see you reasonably being beaten. I don't know what the other player is holding onto here.

I put villain on KQ, possibly KQ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] .

Chris Daddy Cool · #4 03-13-2005, 08:44 AM

hi only i am allowed to use superhero in the hand converter and a real super hero would have bet the river.

Big Folder · #5 03-13-2005, 08:46 AM

Because of the turn spade I would narrow his holdings down to a pair with a 4-card gutshot(the ten) and a flush draw. This is the only reason why he'd raise the turn after the c/r bet into him because otherwise he should have 3-bet the flop.

If i'm correct he has a huge draw and is semibluffing/value betting?

When the river comes, if I checked, i would check raise a bet from villian but just call a bet from mp3. The 9 completes an OESD draw which explains why he hung around without betting. (Is this weak or is this prudent given the sitiation?) And I think you have villian beat so might as well get him to overcall for an extra bet.

I say villian has kqs or he also has AQ but feared the set or straight.

Theres a chance he would play AA, QQ or JJ this way fearing the floped straight but i wouldnt say this is likely. I dont think he would have open raised in mp with qjs

ArturiusX · #6 03-13-2005, 08:48 AM

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hi only i am allowed to use superhero in the hand converter and a real super hero would have bet the river.

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He's closing in on your post count ya know....... Aren't you going to do something about that?!

Reef · #7 03-13-2005, 09:02 AM

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a real super hero would have bet the river.

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KingOtter · #8 03-13-2005, 10:05 AM

Why aren't people putting villain on AK?

He's 25/8/1.2. Which means he's TA-passive. He won't cap it on the flop with an AK, most likely.

I think I would have still bet the river. He's passive enough that you can expect just about anything except AA, but your two pair dominates potential 2-pair holdings he has.

I would have bet out on the river, and call a raise.

KO

Big Folder · #9 03-13-2005, 10:47 AM

On the flop I would consider AK even though he didn't 3-bet it. But that doesnt explain why he would raise the turn when a 3s comes down after just calling a c/r on the flop? Sometimes weaker players freak out to a c/r and just call but that doesnt really explain the turn raise, unless he wanted to see if your c/r was just a move. I figured the spade helped him out but that would eliminate AK since the As is on the board. Thats why I dont think AK, but I'd also like to hear why everyone else eliminated it because my first instinct was AK.

droolie · #10 03-13-2005, 10:58 AM

I bet the river and call a raise. I think it's likely he has a set of J's but is concerned you have a made str8. His stop n gos scream protection raises.

I bet the river on the chance he has AJ or AK and wants a cheap showdown.

Given the fact that you checked if villian bets and MP3 calls I check raise (villian will not reraise and we'll get more $$ out of MP3 when we're ahead)

If MP3 folds I just call. I think this is a coin flip between you and villian.