i can see his cards

dark_horse · #1 04-20-2005, 07:01 PM

so i'm playing at this $65 Taj MTT i posted about earlier, and i'm moved when we're down to 3 tables. i'm seated next to a young asian kid to my right who seems a bit inexperienced. after a few hands i begin to notice... i can see his cards when he looks at them! i think most players wouldn't say anything but i did feel bad. but it didn't stop me from taking advantage of this new, very powerful edge. wearing a baseball cap, it was easy to tilt my head down so the others at the table couldn't see where my eyes were pointed. i could see how he played, and poorly he did. he'd limp in with broadway trash only to fold when raised PF. i was waiting for my opportunity, and then it happened. blinds were 3k/6k and i must have had about 55k. he probably had the same. i'm in the BB and it's folded around to him in the SB. he looks down at 52o. he raises to 20k. i look down at A7o.

i'm faced with two choices. move in and take the pot. i know he's folding. or.... call. hope to god the flop doesn't hit him, and let him continue the bluff? i just moved in because i wanted the free round and his raise. i suspect most would move in as well. but afterwards i was wondering if a call would have been a good move.

do you tell him to protect his hand? i couldn't do it!

willie · #2 04-20-2005, 07:10 PM

meh, it's slightly unethical but whatever

i've done it before and i definitely consider it a players responsiblity to protect their hand and how they view it.

mts · #3 04-20-2005, 07:14 PM

would you do the same thing if you had 23o?

i wouldnt tell him either. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

dark_horse · #4 04-20-2005, 07:21 PM

would you do the same thing if you had 23o?

Any two.

And yes, it's the player's responsibility to protect his hand. From the dealer mucking it to his neighbor catching a glimpse.

2005 · #5 04-20-2005, 08:08 PM

The generally accepted course of action in this situation is to tell him and then if it continues to occur, use it to your advantage as much as possible. What you are doing is quite unethical, but hard to avoid.

Gavin

SossMan · #6 04-20-2005, 08:14 PM

dude, it's a $65 tournament. is that how cheap your integrity is?

Personally, I would only do this in a 10k tourney, because if someone doesn't protect their hand in that big a buy-in, then they have too much money and some of it should be mine.

Oh, and I would have called preflop there everytime. If he's willing to bluff preflop, you may very well get him to bluff at you again on the flop when he's drawing near dead.

dark_horse · #7 04-20-2005, 08:40 PM

i wouldn't say he was drawing near dead. he did have two live cards.

CardSharpCook · #8 04-20-2005, 09:01 PM

I believe that this action is "wrong". And I believe that you know it is wrong. At the very least it is dishonorable. But, people have said the same about some of my poker ethics, so do as you will. I may need to cheat to get an edge over my opponent, but I would never do it. If he is better than me, then I must learn and become better than him.

CSC

Argus · #9 04-20-2005, 09:07 PM

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dude, it's a $65 tournament. is that how cheap your integrity is?

Personally, I would only do this in a 10k tourney

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Is that how cheap your integrity is?

I'd have told him that I could see his cards at some point, but regardless of whether this was the first time or the nth time I'd seen them, I'd use the knowledge to my full advantage. You have an ethical obligation to yourself.

RandomUser · #10 04-20-2005, 09:07 PM

Here's a question for those that think this is so wrong.

Suppose you had a 'tell' on someone that was 100% accurate.

Would you let them know about it? Or would you continue to use it against them to their detriment.