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Zen and the Art of Poker
I was reading "Zen and the Art of Poker" by Larry W. Phillips today, and I remembered reading something about taking in to consideration of your recent luck (good or bad) in previous hands in order to make a better educated decision in your current hand. I'm just curious what everyone has to say about this.
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Re: Zen and the Art of Poker
The only reason you should do that is to consider how your opponents see you currently. IF they fear you are ona rush you should seize that oppurtunity and win some more pots.
Other than that each hand is an individual occurrence. |
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Re: Zen and the Art of Poker
Yes, every hand is independent, but that doesn't mean that each similar hand plays out in the same way. Take the same cards dealt to each player and the same flop, turn, and river, and it's entirely possible that the hand will not be played the same way twice. one reason for the difference is the perceptions the players have about each other based on what has transpired in the previous x amount of time.
The cards are independent of all other factors. The players' perceptions are not. |
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Re: Zen and the Art of Poker
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something about taking in to consideration of your recent luck (good or bad) in previous hands in order to make a better educated decision in your current hand. [/ QUOTE ] This is the major failing of that book (yes I have read it). Luck is not real. |
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Re: Zen and the Art of Poker
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[ QUOTE ] something about taking in to consideration of your recent luck (good or bad) in previous hands in order to make a better educated decision in your current hand. [/ QUOTE ] This is the major failing of that book (yes I have read it). Luck is not real. [/ QUOTE ] perception of luck is real. when you are running well, your opponents take fewer shots at you which allows you to bet hands that might normally get raised if opponent didn't adjust to your perceived luck. therefore you get more value where you wouldn't be able to before. it certainly has other uses but that for one is true. Barron |
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Re: Zen and the Art of Poker
I don't believe in changing the way you play based on a "lucky streak" at all. Sometimes luck moves in cycles, sometimes it doesn't. I don't see too many zen masters winning poker tournaments. However I do believe in changing the way you play based on how the other players pervieve your "luck".
Whether you go on a rush from a run of strong cards, some nice bluffs or a combination of both makes no real difference. A good player will always be getting ready to play back at you. They could be doing this because you're not having to show your cards and they suspect you are stealing pots, or, they can see you've had a run of strong cards and think you will begin to use this image to start stealing pots. Either way, I believe its a big mistake to loosen up on a rush when there are tough players at the table because they will be waiting to trap a player loosening up on a rush. If on the other hand you are at a table of mediocre/fishy players who fear lucky streaks and start to fold to small bets well thats a different story... |
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Re: Zen and the Art of Poker
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Luck is not real. [/ QUOTE ] In cold, hard terms I agree. The odds never change. A good hand/bet is always the same. But, like DeciphrThs said, there are those who look at your heater/rush and think, "Man, he's hot right now," and change their play accordingly. Maybe you've just not noticed it. I watched a Doyle B. interview and he said pretty much the same thing. IIRC, that remark's been discussed in another thread. He said when he's on a run of good cards he'll sometimes play cards he wouldn't normally because of the opponent's concern for his "luck." (paraphrase) Give it a try. It may work for you. Or not. |
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Re: Zen and the Art of Poker
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[ QUOTE ] Luck is not real. [/ QUOTE ] In cold, hard terms I agree. The odds never change. A good hand/bet is always the same. But, like DeciphrThs said, there are those who look at your heater/rush and think, "Man, he's hot right now," and change their play accordingly. Maybe you've just not noticed it. I watched a Doyle B. interview and he said pretty much the same thing. IIRC, that remark's been discussed in another thread. He said when he's on a run of good cards he'll sometimes play cards he wouldn't normally because of the opponent's concern for his "luck." (paraphrase) Give it a try. It may work for you. Or not. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, trust me, I do. "Lucky Fish" is my favorite table image, and I've learned how to develop it on purpose in B&M's. The problem with the Zen book is that it doesn't make this distinction (between luck as a psychological trick on your opponents or luck as an actual cosmic force), or if it does it doesn't communicate that fact very well which pretty much amounts to the same thing. |
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Re: Zen and the Art of Poker
The cards don't have memory. But your opponents (and you) do.
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Re: Zen and the Art of Poker
Luck is not real.
You realize that you just said there's no such thing as variance. |
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