Axo and the fish

[winky51]

SITUATION: You raise with your premium pair or 2 paint and uberfish calls you.

On the flop you hit/have your big pair but behond the dreaded ace. Friend of every fish that loves Axo.

You bet, they call, Turn blank.. you bet they call, river is blank.. you check, they bet.

Now what? Do you fold to uberfish?

Now consider uberfish will once in a while bluff or bet some small pair thinking you were bluffing on the river. Seen this alot.

[damaniac]

Not to be unhelpful but...it depends.

So you think uberfish will bluff occassionally. The pot should be laying you 6:1 or so at this point, so do you think he has no A more than 1:6 you call, if not fold.

And how do we determine that? History with that player, the board's texture (did any obvious draws get there? Was there a two flush/straighty flop that did not complete but he might bluff at now?), how likely your hand is to be good even if he doesn't have the A (any common two pair combos/another overcard/draws?). There's not really a set play here. But just because they love to play any ace, doesn't mean they are more likely to be dealt one. And players who play any ace love to play a lot more bad hands and take those to showdown too.

[winky51]

Yea thats how I have been playing it. double draws like 98A22 and 2 spades Im calling the river.

A6256 rainbow is another matter.

Its really tough sometimes. They just autocall which either means the draw or the ace. The old "I'm just gunna have to see your better ace mr."

Just seeing if anyone else had any insight.

[diebitter]

If you're playing fish, an Ace on the board is a cue to check/fold (exception being you maybe bet on the flop to see if they hang around).

[BarronVangorToth]

Remember, too, that you WANT people to call your KK raise with A2o. You won't always make money, but you'll make MORE money than if they always (properly) folded that meager holding.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

i'd fold. there are beter opportunities.

I'd call 'em. Like Barron said, you want this guy to keep playing his rag Ax because, in the long run he's going to lose much more playing those cards than he's going to win. You'll win more times than lose, and even when you lose, you're giving the fish a little tidbit that will make him think it's cool to hold the Ax because he won a pot.

[Vee Quiva]

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If you're playing fish, an Ace on the board is a cue to check/fold (exception being you maybe bet on the flop to see if they hang around).

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This is bad advice. Do you see why?

[Xhad]

If you think they're calling the flop means they have the ace often, then you should shut down and check/fold the turn, especially multiway.

If they are loose enough that they will call down/show down with things like middle pair, but are too passive to raise a bad ace, you should consider betting the river if you get that far. You still lose the same amount as a check/call when you're behind, but you don't allow them to check behind with second pair. The counterpoint is that you don't allow them to bluff either which is why this is opponent dependent.

"Bet the flop, bet the turn, check/fold the river" is pretty much the worst way possible to play the hand. You lose as much as you can on the hand without giving yourself any chance of winning the pot.

[diebitter]

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If you're playing fish, an Ace on the board is a cue to check/fold (exception being you maybe bet on the flop to see if they hang around).

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This is bad advice. Do you see why?

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Because you think losing money to the fish is good?