So I thought I should fold my boat...

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Don't fold Wookie. You gonna be in Vegas in a few days right Bset?????

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yep get in Thurs night, leave Mon morning

staying with Dids, PITTM, UWMadtown at the Wynn

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Set has KJs and YHIG.

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Set has KJs and YHIG.

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It was a bit worse for Wook on the Turn than that.

[2+2 wannabe]

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Set has KJs and YHIG.

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It was a bit worse for Wook on the Turn than that.

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lol I change my guess to 77

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I think you have to call the turn the majority of the time (if not three-betting). Not quite sure if I'm evaluating this correctly, but the tighter bottomset's PF three-betting range is, the more often you're ahead on the turn (sez PokerStove), in addition to the times you improve to the best hand. Also considering the size of the pot, I really don't think folding is an option. He could be raising the turn with almost anything as it's likely it hasn't connected with your possible high-cards.

Wouldn't bet-folding be better here if you're committed to calling a bet on the river? Check-calling allows for bottomset to take a free showdown with a worse A-high or busted draw, and value bet any pair he's made (as an A-high is probably calling on this board, and your play is consistant unpaired overs).

I guess it depends on his propensity to bet the river with a busted draw, or bluff-raise with the same (read dependent). But after you call the turn raise, I generally can't see him seeing you fold the river with an A or an overpair often enough.

Anyway, yeah. Just some thoughts that may or may not be completely wrong.

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I hadn't realized you already proposed bet/Folding the River.

Nice.

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I don't get bet-folding this river

you're not folding any hands that you beat, and you're not getting called by many hands that you beat (AQ/AJ maybe)

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Set has JTs and YHIG.

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I mix it up with this hand preflop, I like 3betting these types of hands, since it hits a ton of flops, and makes it tougher to read postflop, plus I have position, only bad choice preflop is fold

flop: his cap generally means high cards, or a pair, so I have a BD flush draw, a BD straight draw, and some pair value, since he can easily be capping 88, AJ or the like

turn: well that is the best card in the deck that doesn't make me a pair, I can have upto 21outs(like I ended up having this time), and maybe get him off weaker overcard hands occasionally. most of my turn raises in situations like this a pairs or better

river: he didn't 3bet the turn, so he doesn't have a monster, though this bluff is prob ill-advised since he did call the turn raise, and it was a brick river, not sure if has a hand that can draw to the river, but doesn't have SD value 1/10times, prob not

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You started playing like me? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Although I almost never bluff a 9BB pot on the river against a decent player.

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You started playing like me? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Although I almost never bluff a 9BB pot on the river against a decent player.

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yeah I don't like the river bet, but I do like the rest of the hand .. and I almost got him [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I don't know about a few things on this hand.

1 - the flop bet screams continuation bet to me. The pot is big so the bottomset is likely going to call for 1 sb. I agree that you may be ahead at this point, but in reality you only have 2 overs. I think that a call here would play nicely. If bottomset bets, call.

2 - Turn, this is where the action is, lead out on the turn, or attempt a checkraise if bottomset bet on the flop. This would show that you have a hand. Otherwise it would still look like continuation. Also, if bottomset has the bottom pair or a draw, the odds are reduced for the call (and you have some fold-equity), I don't think that your hand is so strong you want to build a huge pot, so keeping the pot small on the flop and waiting for the turn could pay off.

3- at the point where bottomset raises you on the turn, you have to consider it is going to cost you 2 BB to get to SD. I like the line to 3-bet the turn, if you get capped, check/fold the river, if you get called, then bet/fold the river. If bottom set caps the turn with nothing he deserves the pot, if he bets the river, after you 3-bet chance are he hit, or is a maniac.

Margon