Hellmuth at main event

bodie · #1 10-24-2005, 11:07 AM

I was watching the televised 2005 Main Event last night, the part where Phil Hellmuth ends up getting eliminated.
I have to admit I was nothing but disgusted by his rude display of bad manners to the players around him. Some guy donked out on him by going all in with K, J against Hellmuth's A, K, and then catching a J on the river. Hellmuth called him "the worst player I've ever seen", etc etc. I really didn't notice if the guy had good pot odds to call Hellmuth's raise (the guy had raised first) - nonetheless, "that's poker". I'm not saying it's not frustrating to get beaten by players who are not "palying by the rules", but even the pros mix it up sometimes and are unpredictable and get lucky. I thought it was especially rude coming from someone who has been so successful -

#2 10-24-2005, 11:10 AM

Good observations. Nice to see we are finally getting a thread on this.

unfrgvn · #3 10-24-2005, 11:10 AM

Ok, the guy did not call an all in with KJs, he tried to push Hellmuth off his hand by re-raising all in. Hellmuth called so fast his chips left track marks on the table, and then got rivered by the 3 outer.

slickpoppa · #4 10-24-2005, 11:19 AM

Yeah, but the guy was an idiot. He earlier lost an all-in against a short stack with his JT vs. an underpair and called it a bad beat because his flopped straight lost to a runner-runner full house. Anyone who thinks that the order of the cards after the money goes in makes something a bad beat is an idiot.

NLfool · #5 10-24-2005, 11:38 AM

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Yeah, but the guy was an idiot. He earlier lost an all-in against a short stack with his JT vs. an underpair and called it a bad beat because his flopped straight lost to a runner-runner full house. Anyone who thinks that the order of the cards after the money goes in makes something a bad beat is an idiot.

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yeah the guy called an decent sized all in (relative to the blinds) with J high. He was a moron, Phil stated the obvious truth. Not PC but you can't knock a guy for telling the truth

topbrelan · #6 10-24-2005, 11:43 AM

Hellmuth complains when someone gets lucky on him, but he says nothing when his A-J hits two pair to save him from being outkicked...if he was the one with A-Q he would have told the "donkey" to know preflop that he was dominated!

IgorSmiles · #7 10-24-2005, 12:50 PM

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Hellmuth complains when someone gets lucky on him, but he says nothing when his A-J hits two pair to save him from being outkicked...if he was the one with A-Q he would have told the "donkey" to know preflop that he was dominated!

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I was about to say the same thing. Phil showed absolutely no class on this hand. He carried on all day and then when he hands one out he doesnt even offer the slightest gesture of consolation.

Great lay down with the A/K hand though. Gotta give that one to Phil.

Jim T · #8 10-24-2005, 03:27 PM

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Hellmuth complains when someone gets lucky on him, but he says nothing when his A-J hits two pair to save him from being outkicked...if he was the one with A-Q he would have told the "donkey" to know preflop that he was dominated!

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Didn't most of the money go in on the turn - AFTER Phil had hit two pair?

jeffraider · #9 10-24-2005, 10:55 PM

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Hellmuth complains when someone gets lucky on him, but he says nothing when his A-J hits two pair to save him from being outkicked...if he was the one with A-Q he would have told the "donkey" to know preflop that he was dominated!

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Blinds 150/300. Stolzmann raises to 1000 with AQo, Phil makes the call with AJs out of one of the blinds (couldn't tell which) and checks in the dark. Calling AJs against a raise out of position isn't completely textbook preflop play, but when you're an expert postflop player you get a little leeway.

Flop comes A65 two hearts. The pot is 2300ish. Phil has checked in the dark, Stolzmann bets 1250, Phil calls. Pretty standard I think from Phil. Stolzmann pushes for 5000 exactly and Hellmuth calls.

Phil got 2/3s of the money in with the best hand, he's cool in my books for that hand.

#10 10-24-2005, 03:10 PM

Actually, you CAN knock a guy for telling the truth. It's a childish, classless thing to criticize someone else's play at the table--even when the TRUTH is the person got extremely lucky. What's even worse, Hellmuth had the nerve earlier in the broadcast to lecture another player on "proper etiquette." (Someone had asked to see a showed hand.)

He's an amazing player. But he's got the manners and sportsmanship of an 8-year-old. That's why it's great to see people suck out on him.