400nl AK turn decision vs. deep opponent

like i said before.. i like the turn miniraise to $200 here.

he obviously respects your play. and if hes "sort of a donkey" and has noticed that you paid him off last time he hit his draw when he lead out.. he might be using that against you this time.

what makes KJ sound so out of the question here?

I apologize for writing call, I meant raise his ass, put him to a decision. If he limped in with a pair and flopped a set, you reraise here, and fold to a reraise/push by him. If he calls, you can probably call a bet on the river if he doesn't move in. He'd have to be real stupid to lose his stack with KJ or JQ in this situation.

[thatpfunk]

Ghaz,
If you raise you are putting in $250-350 with the possibility of folding.
If you call you are putting in $100 on the turn + a possible river bet of ~$340 (probably closer to $300, maybe lower). $350-450 total

If you raise and are ahead there he folds a weak draw (maybe), a crap pair, and a complete bluff. You make $100 in those instances. The times hero is ahead and villian calls the turn you make $250-350. However, you will often not get to showdown and whe you are behind you stand to lose $250-$350.

If you call the turn the Villian is now given the oppurtunity to bet with complete air, a busted draw, and a worse pair (that he may believe is ahead). These times you now make $300-$450. If villian checks the river you make $100. If you are behind you stand to lose the $300-450. You also have the option (if so inclined) of bluffing a scarecard if you think you can push villian off of some random 2-pair. Plus, you now often have the benefit of seeing Villian's cards and getting a better handle on how he is playing.

I dunno, sometimes I play passively, is this comepeltely unreasonable? (if villian is prone to overbets at all then this post should be completely disregarded)

[dvo352]

The Stop and Go move usually means that he has a draw. A blank hit and he figured that a bet here would confuse you and take you off your hand or let him have a cheap river. He figures you wouldn't raise here unless you had a monster. I've seen people try to pull this. So knowing that, I think you raise him here and really figure out where you are in this hand. For the most part, I think its really a raise for value here. And a raise here might even move him off KQ thinking maybe you have KK or QQ, but thats a real big maybe. I say raise that turn. Then on the river, if a blank hits you fire one more value bet and check behind if that heart hits.

[FreakDaddy]

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Ghaz,
If you raise you are putting in $250-350 with the possibility of folding.
If you call you are putting in $100 on the turn + a possible river bet of ~$340 (probably closer to $300, maybe lower). $350-450 total

If you raise and are ahead there he folds a weak draw (maybe), a crap pair, and a complete bluff. You make $100 in those instances. The times hero is ahead and villian calls the turn you make $250-350. However, you will often not get to showdown and whe you are behind you stand to lose $250-$350.

If you call the turn the Villian is now given the oppurtunity to bet with complete air, a busted draw, and a worse pair (that he may believe is ahead). These times you now make $300-$450. If villian checks the river you make $100. If you are behind you stand to lose the $300-450. You also have the option (if so inclined) of bluffing a scarecard if you think you can push villian off of some random 2-pair. Plus, you now often have the benefit of seeing Villian's cards and getting a better handle on how he is playing.

I dunno, sometimes I play passively, is this comepeltely unreasonable? (if villian is prone to overbets at all then this post should be completely disregarded)

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No. I personally don't understand the raise line myself and thought of it pretty much like you did. A worse hand is liekly not calling, and a better hand or even split ahnd may put you to the test. I really thought this was standard poker, but perhaps I have a lot to learn. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[unlucky513]

i'd raise the turn. not only are you taking control of the hand, you'll see how strong villain's hand really is. if he pushes, you fold. if he calls and leads the river, i think its an easy fold. if he calls and checks the river, you can check behind and get to showdown a lot easier than calling the turn/river.

i know that sounds like a "raise to find out where you are" post, but with your read, there is a good chance you're ahead here and want to show this hand down. i think raising the turn gets you there the cheapest.

thats not too bad of an idea..

maybe even a miniraise to $200 would be sufficient.

if he pushes you're probably beat, if he flat calls and then decides to throw it in there on the river you probably have him.

i'm not so sure i fold here.. theres really nothing that is too scary about this board unless he hit a set.

[Finwe]

If he really is afraid of playing a big pot, he could have something like AA as well. Given the range you gave though, I would raise the turn, and make it a real raise, to $440. Check the river. Fold to reraise or river lead.

Fin

right. if the poster provided all the information available at the time theres a probably 80% chance that you hand is good here unless hes decided to really mess with you and get sneaky.