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Old 10-21-2005, 03:21 PM
DDH DDH is offline
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Default Re: -22- AK in lvl 3 vs 2 min-raises and a caller.

I would push or fold, it would depend on how the players had been playing, and if I had any read on them. The actions before me are just eff'd up enough that you might be ahead, you might be way behind. Not from the UTG min-raise, but I don't like the CO's min-raise of the min-raise. That could mean a lot of things. Could be an AQ that he doesn't feel too confident about, or it could be KK that he trying to induce more callers with. Depends on what he's done previously, but I would lean towards pushing over them all.
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Old 10-21-2005, 03:31 PM
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Default Re: -22- AK in lvl 3 vs 2 min-raises and a caller.

I think our folding equity on a push is pretty slim. Seems like someone is going to look us up.

I'm concerned about how many of our cards are still live after a raise, reraise, and a cold caller. 1 dead card makes us 40:60 v. utg's 77, and 2 dead cards makes it more like 35:65.

It's level 3, I'm comfortable sitting back with a nice stack and gaining equity while they tangle.

I don't think calling is a bad thing, although I would feel better about it if I was closing the action.
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Old 10-21-2005, 03:37 PM
Shillx Shillx is offline
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Default Re: -22- AK in lvl 3 vs 2 min-raises and a caller.

I would move in personally since I probably have a tighter image then most on here, and making plays like this is how I tend to get a lot of chips. Anyone who is paying attention to how you play is going to fold hands that you want to fold here, and anyone who is donking around is just as likely to call with AT as 88. I think it is a win/win situation personally since you will probably be a 50/50 shot or better when called (plus all the dead money). With the way your stack matches up, you can better afford to get in there and gamble since losing this pot doesn't knock you out. Your effective stack is just too small to fold AK here IMO.

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Old 10-21-2005, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: -22- AK in lvl 3 vs 2 min-raises and a caller.

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I think our folding equity on a push is pretty slim. Seems like someone is going to look us up.

I'm concerned about how many of our cards are still live after a raise, reraise, and a cold caller. 1 dead card makes us 40:60 v. utg's 77, and 2 dead cards makes it more like 35:65.

It's level 3, I'm comfortable sitting back with a nice stack and gaining equity while they tangle.

I don't think calling is a bad thing, although I would feel better about it if I was closing the action.

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B, I think I disagree on the FE part. The only hand that is likely to call is the PFR. And I think most of the time they're scared to call with their 7s because there's 2 yet to act behind.

Anyhow, let's say you're a 40/60 dog against 7s, how much folding equity do you need to make this +EV?
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Old 10-21-2005, 04:00 PM
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Default Re: -22- AK in lvl 3 vs 2 min-raises and a caller.

I call.
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Old 10-21-2005, 04:11 PM
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Default Re: -22- AK in lvl 3 vs 2 min-raises and a caller.

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I call.

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Pushing isn't bad, but not being in the moment I feel no reason to race against TT-JJ. The UTG min could be just about anything under the sun really. A monster? Eh...maybe.

The downside to calling IMO would just be the fact that you could have an Ace or two missing from the deck. BB or UTG pushing behind PF sucks too, but...meh.

But with 1 getting me 4.75, I'm seeing a flop -- check/call-pushing ANY A or K (if one has A-caseA/K-caseK so be it).

Your stack is plenty healthy to call, even with the likely check-fold coming.
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Old 10-21-2005, 04:16 PM
Bigwig Bigwig is offline
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Default Re: -22- AK in lvl 3 vs 2 min-raises and a caller.

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I call.

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Pushing isn't bad, but not being in the moment I feel no reason to race against TT-JJ. The UTG min could be just about anything under the sun really. A monster? Eh...maybe.

The downside to calling IMO would just be the fact that you could have an Ace or two missing from the deck. BB or UTG pushing behind PF sucks too, but...meh.

But with 1 getting me 4.75, I'm seeing a flop -- check/call-pushing ANY A or K (if one has A-caseA/K-caseK so be it).

Your stack is plenty healthy to call, even with the likely check-fold coming.

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Yes, these are more or less my thoughts. I'm simply too lazy to type them. I wouldn't worry about missing As and Ks, however. That's more of a concern when I'm making a decision for all my chips.
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Old 10-21-2005, 04:38 PM
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Default Re: -22- AK in lvl 3 vs 2 min-raises and a caller.

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Certainly, AA isn't playing this way.

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Well somebody's a wishful thinker.
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