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#11
12-09-2005, 08:00 PM
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Re: Profitability of calling large raises with small pocket pairs?
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[ QUOTE ] If so, is it also standard to call large raises with small suited connectors? They work on the same basic concept. [/ QUOTE ] Not really. Calling PFR's with small PPs is basically playing poker on auto-pilot. Hit a set or don't. It's very simple. With SCs, you flop tons of draws, possibly 2 pair, trips, etc. They can get you into lots of trouble that set mining with PPs won't. Definitely much harder to play. [/ QUOTE ] You guys are ignoring the entire point of my post. 
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#12
12-09-2005, 08:01 PM
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Re: Profitability of calling large raises with small pocket pairs?
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This seems like a fallacy. If they're raising with marginal holdings all the time, can't you win a lot more often unimproved, or even more outrageously - by reraising pre-flop? Don't just play for set value - get out there and try to steal a pot away from the guy post flop. [/ QUOTE ] My argument assumed that you play your small pairs only for set value, check-folding any flop you miss. You're ofcourse correct.
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#13
12-09-2005, 08:03 PM
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Re: Profitability of calling large raises with small pocket pairs?
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You guys are ignoring the entire point of my post. [/ QUOTE ] You are ignoring the entire point of mine. They don't hinge on the same concept, IMO, is what I am trying to say. Thus, your statement is incorrect, once again, IMO. That's all.
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#15
12-09-2005, 08:11 PM
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Re: Profitability of calling large raises with small pocket pairs?
yea basically your post has been assuming you cant play post-flop poker. what if you can? what if you can push your opponent off hands? what if you can snap off a bluff? what if you flop 346 w/ 55?
not only that, but with capped 100 bb stacks, you have to take in the advantage of stacking someone and having a 200 bb stack to cover everyone possible
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#16
12-09-2005, 08:31 PM
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Re: Profitability of calling large raises with small pocket pairs?
[/ QUOTE ] You are ignoring the entire point of mine. They don't hinge on the same concept, IMO, is what I am trying to say. Thus, your statement is incorrect, once again, IMO. That's all. [/ QUOTE ] brief and correct, just the way we like them.
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#17
12-09-2005, 08:40 PM
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Re: Profitability of calling large raises with small pocket pairs?
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[ QUOTE ] Very few people are capable of playing small PP against their opponent unimproved (a pre-flop raiser), profitabily. [/ QUOTE ] Get better at poker. [/ QUOTE ] My point is that you can't say, Well I "THINK" this guy is continuation betting so I'm going to raise him with my 22. I'd love it if some idiot raised my flop bets with an underpair... Thats why I said this is a read dependent play-- and people don't call large PF raises with small PP's with the intention to snap off continuation bets from an unknown. You knew what I was trying to say but you still felt inclined to ignore what I was saying completely. I am only talking about the implied odds of hitting a set , and if the implied odds make the call profitable.
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#18
12-09-2005, 08:42 PM
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Re: Profitability of calling large raises with small pocket pairs?
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I am only talking about the implied odds of hitting a set are, and if the implied odds making the call profitable. [/ QUOTE ] I think there are way too many variables to figure this out.
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#19
12-09-2005, 08:45 PM
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Re: Profitability of calling large raises with small pocket pairs?
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[ QUOTE ] I am only talking about the implied odds of hitting a set are, and if the implied odds making the call profitable. [/ QUOTE ] I think there are way too many variables to figure this out. [/ QUOTE ] Thats why I wanted to discuss it.
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#20
12-09-2005, 08:46 PM
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Re: Profitability of calling large raises with small pocket pairs?
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My point is that you can't say, Well I "THINK" this guy is continuation betting so I'm going to raise him with my 22. [/ QUOTE ] Sure I can. [ QUOTE ] I'd love it if some idiot raised my flop bets with an underpair... [/ QUOTE ] No you wouldn't. You would fold all sorts of hands to that raise. [ QUOTE ] Thats why I said this is a read dependent play-- and people don't call large PF raises with small PP's with the intention to snap off continuation bets from an unknown. [/ QUOTE ] As far as I've seen, this is the first time you've mentioned anything about reads. [ QUOTE ] You knew what I was trying to say but you still felt inclined to ignore what I was saying completely. [/ QUOTE ] I knew what you were trying to say, but I felt inclined to disagree with you, because you're wrong. [ QUOTE ] I am only talking about the implied odds of hitting a set , and if the implied odds make the call profitable. [/ QUOTE ] They do, and part of those implied odds is your ability to play well post flop. But seriously... get better at poker.
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