Standard?

[BTirish]

I've gotten in the habit of making these kinds of folds. Too tight?

7 Card Stud High ($1/$2), Ante $0.10, Bring-In $0.50 (hand converter)

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (3.80 SB)

Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (3.40 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

6th Street - (6.40 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls

River - (8.40 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___checks___calls

Total pot: (10.40 BB)

[BTirish]

On another note... I'm in the middle of an incredibly frustrating session. In two hours at an incredibly juicy table (with one amazingly bad player in particular), I've picked up split Q's once, and 7 or 8 flush draws. That's it. The 2 flushes that came in got beaten by boats. Yargh. Just venting.

Anyways... I figure the above fold is sound, but I just want some confirmation.

[Andy B]

I call, but I'm a pay station. The guy was the bring-in. He doesn't have to have a flush, does he? You're probably behind, but I would guess that you'll hit Aces-up and have them win often enough to see the river.

[BTirish]

Well, the guy did, in fact, have the flush. But I don't want the results to be dictating my thoughts on the play...

Do you think this one is an obvious call and fold unimproved? My thinking was definitely not as detailed as below, but I want to think through the best policy for a situation like this one.

My 2's are dead, so I guess I'm looking at 11 outs for 2 pair or better. With 19 cards out, that's 33% to make the hand. The pot is laying me 7:1 and 8:1 if open 7's calls too.

But how much is my equity discounted by the possibility that I'm actually drawing dead? I know he was the bringin... but he had to have something to call with on 4th and 5th. He might be betting out with a better 2 pair against the open 7's, but it'd have to be J's up over 6's... and a J and 6 were both out on 3rd. Since I don't think he has 2 pair, a flush seems the most likely. If I think it's more than 50% likely that he has the flush, then my equity is less than 15%, in which case it's a close decision (and this doesn't take into account the possibility of open 7's filling up or the clubs making the flush for real on 7th.)

Is this just playing scared? I just don't see much of an edge here, and in this level game (where the players are pretty weak), I'm not pushing the small edges. It's been working very well for me so far... but do you think I'm just surrendering extra money?

[Chris Daddy Cool]

i'd call for three reasons...

1) there have been a decent amount of exposed clubs already out, so a flush seems a tad less likely.

2) if he did have a flush and hit a four flush on 4th, would he play his hand harder by trying to jam?

3) when he hit the flush, why didn't he go for the checkraise?

these factors lead me to think more towards calling than folding, though i wouldn't really like it.

[Bill Murphy]

Good fold. Head up you might grit your teeth and cry call, but with the open pair(and poss strt draw) behind you its a frustrating but pretty routine fold.

As you said, its low limit and they have to have something to be in there past 5th.