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Old 05-26-2005, 01:11 PM
JeffO JeffO is offline
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Default Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>,

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Old 05-26-2005, 01:13 PM
krishanleong krishanleong is offline
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Default Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?

What hands do you want to fold exactly? A9? Q9? Nope. This is not a cleaning up outs situation. KJ, J8?

I think the raise can be for equity.

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Old 05-26-2005, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?

I think AQs a good enough hand to 3 bet here for equity pre-flop. But the call is also fine.

the flop I like a call better.
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Old 05-26-2005, 01:20 PM
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Default Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?

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What hands do you want to fold exactly? A9? Q9? Nope. This is not a cleaning up outs situation. KJ, J8?

I think the raise can be for equity.

Krishan

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I was thinking more of AK or AQ hands.
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Old 05-26-2005, 01:21 PM
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Default Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?

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What hands do you want to fold exactly? A9? Q9? Nope. Krishan

[/ QUOTE ]if these hands fold, you will not have cleaned up any outs...
if you think MP will muck 22-88, AK, then i like the raise as there is a good chance you have the sb beat aleady... if not, you are often the favorite.
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Old 05-26-2005, 01:30 PM
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Default Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?

I like the raise on the flop. Gives you a chance for a free card on the turn and fattens the pot for when you hit one of your many outs. Maybe consider a reraise preflop.
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Old 05-26-2005, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?

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I was thinking more of AK or AQ hands.

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Makes more sense. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Old 05-26-2005, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?

There's no downside to raising here, you have enough equity against the SB and MP folding is great for you if he has AK or even a small pair.
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Old 05-26-2005, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?

3bet preflop
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Old 05-26-2005, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: Cleaning up outs, or destroying implied odds?

You also have to take into account the chance of winning without a showdown. Raising greatly increases this likelihood.
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