Slowplaying kings early streets

[patrick dicaprio]

thoughts? this was the second hand of the session and my second stud hand in about 9 months. sorry about the format but the converter didnt work:

Game #732739131 - $4/$8 7-Card Stud - 2005/02/25-20:17:37.7 (CST)
Table "Nanumea" (real money)
Seat 1: lunaa ($52.00 in chips)
Seat 2: Evil Dead ($149.50 in chips)
Seat 3: SANDEE ($95.50 in chips)
Seat 4: sweet_girl ($225.50 in chips)
Seat 5: CarterofMars ($140.50 in chips)
Seat 6: FreeZing ($259.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Good hand ($181.50 in chips)
Seat 8: win4u ($123.00 in chips)
lunaa : Ante ($0.50)
Evil Dead: Ante ($0.50)
SANDEE : Ante ($0.50)
sweet_girl: Ante ($0.50)
CarterofMars: Ante ($0.50)
FreeZing: Ante ($0.50)
Good hand: Ante ($0.50)
win4u : Ante ($0.50)
Dealing...
Dealt to Evil Dead [ Kd ]
Dealt to Evil Dead [ Kh ]
Dealt to lunaa [ Qs ]
Dealt to Evil Dead [ 4h ]
Dealt to SANDEE [ 2h ]
Dealt to sweet_girl [ Jh ]
Dealt to CarterofMars [ Jd ]
Dealt to FreeZing [ 6c ]
Dealt to Good hand [ 7d ]
Dealt to win4u [ 8d ]
SANDEE : Bring-in ($2)
sweet_girl: Fold
CarterofMars: Fold
FreeZing: Fold
Good hand: Fold
win4u : Raise ($4)
lunaa : Fold
Evil Dead: Call ($4)
SANDEE : Fold
Dealt to Evil Dead [ 5c ]
Dealt to win4u [ Ts ]
win4u : Bet ($4)
Evil Dead: Call ($4)
Dealt to Evil Dead [ 4c ]
Dealt to win4u [ Ac ]
Evil Dead: Bet ($8)
win4u : Call ($8)
Dealt to Evil Dead [ 5d ]
Dealt to win4u [ 9c ]
Evil Dead: Bet ($8)
win4u : Call ($8)
Dealt to Evil Dead [ 9h ]
Evil Dead: Bet ($8)
win4u : Call ($8)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $67 | Rake: $3
lunaa lost $0.50 (folded) [ xx xx Qs ]
Evil Dead lost $32.50 (showed hand) [ Kd Kh 4h 5c 4c 5d 9h ]
(two pair, kings and fives)
SANDEE lost $2.50 (folded) [ xx xx 2h ]
sweet_girl lost $0.50 (folded) [ xx xx Jh ]
CarterofMars lost $0.50 (folded) [ xx xx Jd ]
FreeZing lost $0.50 (folded) [ xx xx 6c ]
Good hand lost $0.50 (folded) [ xx xx 7d ]
win4u bet $32.50, collected $67, net +$34.50 (showed hand) [ Qc Qd 8d
Ts Ac 9c Ah ] (two pair, aces and queens)


Pat

[jayheaps]

An argument can be made for only calling on 3rd. It is much tougher to argue not raising 4th. The problem with a pair of kings is that any ace can beat and you need to force your opponents to pay for the job. Plus, you hit a scare card on 4th so you could have tried to take that pot down right away. Kings are not a strong enough hand to slowplay in a full game. Heads up, maybe.

[Andy B]

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Kings are not a strong enough hand to slowplay in a full game. Heads up, maybe.

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I had a hard time reading it, but it looked to me like the hand washeads-up. I'd be inclined to just blast away myself, but I think Pat's line has merit.

[jayheaps]

andy, i meant a 2-play stud game, not a heads up pot. The problem with kings is that if your opponent has an Ace and an pair below you, your edge is not that great. with aces, you can wait to raise since you know if you made 2 pair, it will be the nut 2 pair.

[Michael Davis]

But if your opponent has an ace and a medium pair, he's going to keep betting and he's not folding to your raise. Isn't it better to see the next card cheaply, and pop him there, both getting more money in the pot with a hand that has greater equity (less cards to come) and getting the opportunity to fold if he catches obvious?

-Michael