($5.50)Getting the most out of quads

#1 11-01-2005, 10:08 AM

Early in the tournament, BB has already busted out a donk and appears to be decent player. I flopped the near lock hand. I know I played it poorly. How could I have extracted more from the hand?

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t1450)
UTG+1 (t980)
MP1 (t1450)
MP2 (t2660)
Hero (t1485)
CO (t1265)
Button (t1660)
SB (t1450)
BB (t2600)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero calls t30, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets t30, MP1 folds, Hero calls t30, SB calls t30.

Turn: (t210) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets t30, Hero calls t30, SB calls t30.

River: (t300) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets t30, Hero raises to t390, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: t720

durron597 · #2 11-01-2005, 10:10 AM

I would raise the flop. The problem with slowplaying is that unless your opponent decides to play the hand aggressively you are not going to get a lot of chips in the middle.

Raise the flop, and then if he calls give him a difficult decision by making a small bet that basically ties him to the pot but is hard to fold.

Take advantage of the fact that you have position on your opponent to get him to commit himself with some sort of jack or PP.

Phill S · #3 11-01-2005, 10:13 AM

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Early in the tournament, BB has already busted out a donk and appears to be decent player. I flopped the near lock hand. I know I played it poorly. How could I have extracted more from the hand?

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I wouldnt say you played it poorly. When you have a monster like that its the second best hand which defines the size of the pot.

In this case i would raise less on the river - he is minbetting, but he isnt liking his hand. A raise to 200 feels more like it.

Indiana · #4 11-01-2005, 11:04 AM

durron,

wouldnt you let them catch up a little and raise the turn? Perhaps raising the flop is correct because they will stay more often than on the turn?

Indy

durron597 · #5 11-01-2005, 11:18 AM

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durron,

wouldnt you let them catch up a little and raise the turn? Perhaps raising the flop is correct because they will stay more often than on the turn?

Indy

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People like to stay in with flush draws on the flop because they have two cards to come. Plus I only have 3 chances to build this pot and I don't want to waste one of them on a 30 chip bet.

I would just call the flop if they led out for the full pot.

Indiana · #6 11-01-2005, 11:35 AM

How much do you raise on this flop?

Indy

#7 11-01-2005, 02:52 PM

I like the flop raise as well. Maybe raise another 60 or 90?? With 3 actors the other two sniff a nine real quick if everyone just calls. A medium raise here looks like a semi bluff flush draw and may get the paired J's to act. Also makes the draws commit some chips as well and build a pot slowly as Durron mentioned. Even if a flush drops I suspect a good player is not going to give you a lot of action at the river. He will wonder why you let a flush draw out so cheaply??

Indiana · #8 11-01-2005, 02:58 PM

So you say that you would give your hand away on the flop for 60 more chips?

Indy

tigerite · #9 11-01-2005, 03:03 PM

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So you say that you would give your hand away on the flop for 60 more chips?

Indy

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That's just it though. I would raise with a draw here as well. So how can they tell which it is?

durron597 · #10 11-01-2005, 03:11 PM

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So you say that you would give your hand away on the flop for 60 more chips?

Indy

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That's just it though. I would raise with a draw here as well. So how can they tell which it is?

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I might raise like JT/QJ/KJ here too.