Played craps with TJ Cloutier

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You worked as a dealer and you don't understand the rules. I haven't played in years, but can still tell you that:

1. You can make a pass line bet at any time, but may not remove a pass line bet once the point is established.
2. The odds bet is always a neutral EV bet and the pass line is a -EV bet for the player once the point is established, and should therefore always be welcomed regardless of # of times odds allowed by the house. You are correct though that placing would be even more advantageous.

I take it back about working at my company though. We have plenty of people who do a good job, even though they don't understand the reasons behind their job functions.

I know, I'm being a smartass. No harm meant.

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1. it was like 7 years ago and did it for 6 months on weekends, i cant be expectred to recall such obscurity.
2. did you even read what i explained above about the edge a player would have if they were allowed to make pass line bets after the come out? all the bets on the table are negative ev, except the odds. i dont think they are going to let you make a pass line bet just because its negative ev. why would they give you the chance to put a large portion of your money in play with neutral ev, when they can force you to put it all in play negatively?. is this some sort of magical loophole?

i dug up my dealer school's "craps dealer reference manual". under section "making and removing of wagers", it says "A wager made on any bet may be removed or reduced at any time prior to a roll that decides the outcome of such wager. A pass bet and a come bet shall not be wagered, increased, removed, or reduced, after a come-out point or come point is established with respect to such bet ", and it also says " A player cannot make a pass or dont pass bet after the point is established, but he/she could place the point, buy the point, or buy behind the point"

im gonna skim through a little more, but i think the above makes me not crazy. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
you guys hiring?

edit: i just found this on the net: No matter what stage the game is in, whether on the "Come Out" roll, or in progress, you can jump in immediately and place any bets. The only exception to this is the bet called the "Pass Line" bet with odds", which can be made only on the "Come Out" roll. You can, however, bet with the shooter even while the game is in progress by placing a "Pass Line" bet without odds. Placing your chips halfway over one of the two lines framing the "Pass Line" area does this.

if correct,this sort of ties together what everybody is saying, you can make pass line bets, but cant take odds. that would make sense from a casino point of view.

[SheetWise]

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im gonna skim through a little more, but i think the above makes me not crazy.

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No. You're crazy.
Just not as crazy as whoever wrote that manual.

[lastsamurai]

Just wait until commerce has a big tournament....he is usually on the paigow tables in the big room shaking the dice!

I heard stories about TJ playing 200 NL buyin at bike...

[drewjustdrew]

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im gonna skim through a little more, but i think the above makes me not crazy.

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No. You're crazy.
Just not as crazy as whoever wrote that manual.

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Yes, that manual is poorly written. Your logic tells me that the only bet allowed in craps should be the "Any 7" since it gives the house the best advantage of all the bets.

Why allow players better odds when there are worse odds available to bet? That is what I get from your argument.

Edit: Was it a charity casino manual? I could see that.

[Jeffage]

Actually, from my degenerate gambling days, I am pretty sure Mostmooth's manual is correct as far as how the game is played in Atlantic City. I don't believe you can place a pass line bet in New Jersey after a point has been established. You can make come bets.

Jeff

[drewjustdrew]

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Actually, from my degenerate gambling days, I am pretty sure Mostmooth's manual is correct as far as how the game is played in Atlantic City. I don't believe you can place a pass line bet in New Jersey after a point has been established. You can make come bets.

Jeff

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Let's ask this guy:

[SheetWise]

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I don't believe you can place a pass line bet in New Jersey after a point has been established. You can make come bets.

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You can make a pass bet at any time. There are many ways you can make less than optimal wagers on a craps table -- and all are allowed. You can also give the table your money as a gift (non tax-deductable). As far as I know, there are no mail-in programs yet -- so you'll have to make your donations in person.

[stickman]

Atlantic City only allows passline bets before the come out roll.

[mostsmooth]

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im gonna skim through a little more, but i think the above makes me not crazy.

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No. You're crazy.
Just not as crazy as whoever wrote that manual.

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Yes, that manual is poorly written. Your logic tells me that the only bet allowed in craps should be the "Any 7" since it gives the house the best advantage of all the bets.

Why allow players better odds when there are worse odds available to bet? That is what I get from your argument.


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you dont comprehend too good.

[drewjustdrew]

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im gonna skim through a little more, but i think the above makes me not crazy.

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No. You're crazy.
Just not as crazy as whoever wrote that manual.

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Yes, that manual is poorly written. Your logic tells me that the only bet allowed in craps should be the "Any 7" since it gives the house the best advantage of all the bets.

Why allow players better odds when there are worse odds available to bet? That is what I get from your argument.


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you dont comprehend too good.

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its tuff cuz you dont write too good neither [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]