a loopy logy little hand - Page 3

Tommy Angelo · #21 11-10-2005, 10:45 PM

"can you give us more please?"

See both of Deorums posts. I could not have written or thought it better. There's more of course as to why I or you make any betting decision, stuff that has to do with these particular opponents at the time and the unfolding patterns and tendencies we were creating and reacting to at the table. But that stuff is always there all the time at shorthanded B&M, right? Don't you think it's kind of fun to just look at the betting of a hand sometimes and enjoy it for its unusualness or awkwardness or unexplainableness? Do you really think the answer to everything lies is believing that there is an answer to everything?

The other night on TV I saw Howard Lederer say something to the effect of "Make gaps between what you are doing and what they think you are doing." That's all I'm doing, mike, making gaps.

Tommy

baronzeus · #22 11-10-2005, 10:47 PM

he flat called the river with the nuts? for OVERCALLS? omg

sweetjazz · #23 11-10-2005, 10:48 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Equally silly hand:

HU online. I get dealt A3o and raise. Uber-LAG reraises.

Flop comes A77.

I check, villain checks.
Turn is blank. I check, he checks.
River is blank. I check, villain checks.

Villain shows 77 [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

He wanted to show his flopped quads to everyone, and didn't know how to click the insta-muck button off.

Tommy's opponent wanted to show the hand as well and get the "nice hand" comments. Me, I prefer getting Benjamin Franklin's approval.

mike l. · #24 11-10-2005, 10:55 PM

"the unfolding patterns"

talk about double meaning!

"Do you really think the answer to everything lies is believing that there is an answer to everything?"

no. but i think that the more i get you to give me more than a couple sentences, the more my mind expands.

"Make gaps between what you are doing and what they think you are doing." That's all I'm doing, mike, making gaps."

very very interesting stuff, ill think about it and talk to justin and gabe and damon about this hand. thanks for sharing!

mike

smurfitup · #25 11-10-2005, 11:03 PM

"'Make gaps between what you are doing and what they think you are doing.' That's all I'm doing, mike, making gaps."

that's almost poetic... whether or not the play of this hand was totally optimal, i think it's obvious that you appreciate poker as an art more than pretty much anyone else on these boards.

roy_miami · #26 11-10-2005, 11:18 PM

[ QUOTE ]
"tommy could you please explain your flop check?"

I was sedating my opponents.

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The button is one of these retards that always slowplays big hands and always gets aggressive with nothing isn't he? If so, nice play.

Edit to add. Oh yeah, he was probably trying to get tricky on the river by checkraising somehow.

elindauer · #27 11-10-2005, 11:34 PM

[ QUOTE ]
"tommy could you please explain your flop check?"

I was sedating my opponents.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sadly, the button is even better at it than you are. He masterfully only called in several spots where clearly a bet or a raise would have been a better choice. You had no idea he'd turn over the nuts, right? Damn, he's in your head. Now you don't know how to play against him.

Gotta work on that game selection Tommy. You don't want to play with this one.

[img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
eric

private joker · #28 11-11-2005, 06:32 AM

Tommy, what's your plan if the button raises the river? Do you put him squarely on quads and fold? Or do you pay him off?

goofball · #29 11-11-2005, 08:07 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Tommy, what's your plan if the button raises the river? Do you put him squarely on quads and fold? Or do you pay him off?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm pretty sure folding there most of the time would be insane.

Chris Daddy Cool · #30 11-11-2005, 10:33 AM

fwiw, i was at this game and i too was equally surprised at the river, but my only thoughts on button's play was that he is a really nice guy who did a lot of chipping back and forth with the other players at that table and he also seemed to really respect tommy (not necessarily in the poker sense but in the "he's a really nice guy" sense) and i'm sure he justified his play to himself as to wanting an overcall rather than not raising his friend on the river.

for example, if it was me betting on the river rather than tommy, he would have rasied me for sure.