two questions about internet rake

[Tommy Angelo]

At limit hold'em games online, how many BB/100 is the rake? I'm talking total rake, for the whole table.

I understand that the answer for any particular table will depend on the limit and on how people are playing. I'm asking for data or conjectures about the average rake across all of LHE cyberspace, in the units BB/100.

In addition to that question, I am wondering about how much the rake varies (in BB/100 for the whole table) between $1-2, $15-30, and $200-400.

Thanks!

Tommy

[Nigel]

Hi Tommy,

Both questions seem the same, and I can only give you my best guess:

1/2 is several BB/100
15/30 is ~1BB/100
200/400 is probably only less than 1/10BB/100

Not sure if that's what you're looking for, but hope it helps.

Cheers,

Nigel

[fnord_too]

You sound like you are asking for an average (mean). Are you looking for a weighted average (there are a lot more 1/2 games than 100/200) or just averaging the averages for various limits? Why exactly are you curious? (The last question is not a snide "why do you want to know?" but a "what are you trying to get at so I can give you a reasonable answer if it is in my capability to come up with an answer")

Edit - and by total rake do you mean the rake the whole table pays or the rake paid by each player on average.

Also, do you care about the number of players at the table? That is another big variable. (At the 300/600 HU tables on UB I think the rake is 0.50 if a flop is seen, 0.00 if not.)

[Analyst]

At PokerStars (PS rake tables), for games 2-4 and higher the rake can be as much as $300/100 hands, if you have at least 6 players and large enough pot sizes. So it could be as much as:

100-200: 1.5 BB/100 (Stars does not have 200-400)
15-30: 10 BB/100
1-2: 50 BB/100 (max rake is $1/hand)

Given that the max rake is hit at $20 for the 1-2 game, and $70 for anything higher, the 15-30 and 100-200 numbers above are probably about right (minus perhaps 5-10% for those hands with no flop), and the 1-2 is probably closer to 25 BB/100.

[Stuck]

At first I didn't think I could answer because I don't have pokertracker in front of me, but then I noticed you're looking for conjectures [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

From memory:

The most expensive game I've played was 2-4 which worked out at about 5% of the pot, and the typical pot was about $40, so an average of about $2 a hand. The table is paying 50 BB/100. I won about 8% of my hands, so I was paying about 4 BB/100.

Playing 30/60 the rake is always capped at $3. So the table is always paying out 5 BB/100. Again, winning about 8% of my hands means I'm paying 0.4 BB/100.

At 200/400 I imagine the same thing applies. Rake is always capped and so the table is paying out 0.75 BB/100. If you were still winning 8% of your pots (I don't know whether that assumption is still correct) you'd be paying out 0.06 BB/100. Also, that would assume you were only playing full games, which is pretty unlikely.

[MrStretchie]

Sweet jeebus the rake is expensive at lower limits.

[bobbyi]

When thinking about online rake, remember that people tend to play more tables and lower limits when they play online than when they play live. For example, if I play live I play 20/40 (sometimes 30/60). When I play online, I play a bunch of tables of 5/10 instead. This means that the amount of rake I'm paying per hour is much higher online, which isn't reflected so well if you just look at BB/100.

[Nightwish]

At the Party 30/60, it's 4 BB/100.

At the Party 15/30, it's 8.25 BB/100.

The reason that the rake at 15/30 is not twice of that at 30/60 (in BB/100), even though in both cases the rake is capped almost every time the pot is raked, is quite simple. Only 11 percent of hands at 15/30 never see the flop. At 30/60, that number is 17 percent. So the interesting conclusion is that Party makes more on a 15/30 table than it does on a 30/60 one.

[elindauer]

Hi Tommy,

Another question, perhaps more relevant, is how much does a tight player have to pay? My own stats show me paying 2/3 BB/100 at the 15/30 level. A player as tight as you would go even lower than that.

Good luck.
Eric

[Tommy Angelo]

Thank you all. The notes I'll take away from this thread are:

$1-2: 25+BB/100
$15-30: 8+BB/100
$30-60: 5BB/100
$100-200: 1.5BB/100.

"Why exactly are you curious?"

No particular reason. Just wanted to know. It's a question that has popped into my mind a half dozen times over the last year, so I came to the best poker resource I know of for the answer.

Tommy