River dealt without burn + betting

[JustASpectator]

Playing in a home game, the river was dealt without a card being burned first. Nobody noticed, and I, being first to act, checked. The player to my left bet. The player to his left raised. The action was back to me when the dealer commented he had forgotten to burn a card. The decision that was made was to pull back all betting, and turn over the next card as the real river (which it would have been had he burned properly.)

Correct ruling?

[jacki]

as long as it's a mistake, and action has already been taken, just let it go.

It's a random card.

I don't think there should be do-overs in poker.

[bkfizz02]

Whatever rule you decide to have, just set it down before the game starts. You could decide that an exposed card (without a burn/before betting is completed) is just dead. That's how we play. Everyone gets to see it, it's burned and the next card takes it's place.

The complication here is probably that the betting action has already taken place. I think if nobody notices and someones bets, we would probably continue playing it out in my home game, assuming the bettor didn't rush a bet out there as soon as the card hit the table knowing it should have been burned. We would certainly play it out if the betting got all the way around before someone noticed.

I don't think there is a fixed right or wrong, as long as there is a house rule that you decide on before you play. This will limit future problems. Good luck.

[jacki]

From Roberts Rules. Not your exact situation, but pretty close.

7. If more than one card has been burned, the error shall be rectified if the mistake is discovered before betting starts. If the error is not discovered before betting starts, the card dealt faceup must be used.

[SossMan]

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as long as it's a mistake, and action has already been taken, just let it go.

It's a random card.

I don't think there should be do-overs in poker.

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[smoore]

jacki hit it with the rr post.

I define "action" as a bet and a call/raise. A single bet could be pulled back in my game if the error is discovered.

[Trantor]

In your scheme those up to the first bettor are disadvantaged because he/she ( and prior checkers) have given information away by their action. There is an incentive then for all later players to keep quiet about a misdeal until the first bet is made, get the "info" from the earlier checkers and sole bettor, then call the misdeal.

Seems better to continue if any action whatsoever has ocurred.

[SamIAm]

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I define "action" as a bet and a call/raise.

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That's crazy. I don't see why announcing your intention to bet is action but announcing otherwise isn't. When a vegas dealer says to me "Sir, it's your action." that's because I need to take a turn. If I say "Check", I rarely have a dealer say "No, ACTION! Come on! ACTION!"

We call it a "round of betting" even if it's checked around. Therefore "the betting" has started if people start checking.
-Sam

[JustASpectator]

Thanks for all your input. I had indeed read Roberts Rule regarding the river if more than one card was burned, which was the closest rule to this situation. My suggestion at the time was to play it out, as there had been three actions (check, bet, raise), but I was overruled.

It turned out that the first river dealt gave the raiser two pair, but the second river gave the bettor two pair.

[Lottery Larry]

Once action is taken on the card (more than one player) I think it has to stand.