$22 - QQ Call down - Page 2

pineapple888 · #11 10-11-2005, 02:25 PM

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Villain is a multitabler I've played with before. Funny name too.

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None of the betting makes much sense to me, but let's assume he's TA. What are the re-raising hands on L1 for a TA multi-tabler? AA, KK, AK, maybe other pairs if he's feeling frisky. So who's trapping who?

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Original PFRer minraised. Don't you think his reranging hands are a little wider than that? I would say TT+, AQ+ atleast.

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Well, if that's your read, I can't argue. But once there's a raise, many multi-tablers don't get involved at all in L1 without a super-premium hand.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t30, 4 folds, MP3 raises to t90, 2 folds, Hero calls t80, 1 fold, UTG calls t60.

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You just called behind, so you have not clarified anything. I pop it up to 250. If you are re-raised, put him on aa or kk, you fold, on to the next hand.

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I don't like reraising for two positions. Pot size control is gone completely. And I'm out of position. Although is it worth it to knock out UTG?

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I don't get it. Who cares about pot size control when you have the third-best starting hand? I would want to find out where I am, then get all my chips in ASAP if I thought I was ahead.
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Flop: (t282.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 bets t100, Hero calls t100, UTG folds.

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Why is he betting a third of the pot? Continuation bluff? Trying to keep you in? Or blocking bet for a draw, maybe AKs? Who knows?

Here's a idea: pop him back and find out.

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I think he has AQ+ here more than all other hands. His bet was fairly small and could have been a probe/continuation bet. If I popped him here, it wouldn't be to find out what he has - it would be to fold it, yet loose as little as I can to hands to beat me. Any suggestions on bet amounts? I want to keep the pot small though - I'm afraid of commitment.

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Afraid of commitment? This is shallow-stack no-limit poker. It's all about finding an edge and going for the kill. Raise to 325.

But that's just me.

SippinSoma · #12 10-11-2005, 03:25 PM

I felt that he was aggressive enough to throw in a second bet with AK on the turn. I now see it's pretty clear though that I have to pop him somewhere, and be ready to fold to a push. I think the pot was too huge by the flop though and a pop of 300+ would have been correct. He had TT.

schwza · #13 10-11-2005, 04:23 PM

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pre-flop: good.
flop: i like it. in the moment, i'm sure i would've c/r'ed, but this way lets you see if utg is on a c/r without committing a ton of chips. if utg c/r's, i think you can fold comfortably (and if MP plays, easy fold). the only draw that utg can be on is a big flush draw, and that's not too likely. same for MP, except that calling instead of raising gives him a chance to try to hit if he has AK.

turn: i would lead out. if i have AK, i check behind here very frequently, and so do most multitablers who you've played with. you might get AK/AQ to come over the top, although i don't know how likely that is. i'm willing to go broke against KK+ here because i'm not going to fold later, and the money will probably all wind up in the middle anyway.

river: ugh, this is one reason i don't like your turn action. you're in a tough spot now - do you check/call a psuh? it's tough to call off all your chips in level 1 against a hand that looks like AA, but it's also really bad to get moved off the hand by a "value bet" JJ or a bluff AK/AQ.

i guess i'd check/call any. i don't like it very much though.

river:

schwza · #14 10-11-2005, 04:26 PM

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I felt that he was aggressive enough to throw in a second bet with AK on the turn.

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well it's a good thing you didn't tell us that in the original post.

SippinSoma · #15 10-11-2005, 05:02 PM

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I felt that he was aggressive enough to throw in a second bet with AK on the turn.

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well it's a good thing you didn't tell us that in the original post.

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This was just a feel read given the action, pot size, and the fact that he's probably a decent and possibly aggressive multitabler. You could be right though.

niquewon · #16 10-11-2005, 05:24 PM

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pre-flop: good.
flop: i like it. in the moment, i'm sure i would've c/r'ed, but this way lets you see if utg is on a c/r without committing a ton of chips. if utg c/r's, i think you can fold comfortably (and if MP plays, easy fold). the only draw that utg can be on is a big flush draw, and that's not too likely. same for MP, except that calling instead of raising gives him a chance to try to hit if he has AK.

turn: i would lead out. if i have AK, i check behind here very frequently, and so do most multitablers who you've played with. you might get AK/AQ to come over the top, although i don't know how likely that is. i'm willing to go broke against KK+ here because i'm not going to fold later, and the money will probably all wind up in the middle anyway.

river: ugh, this is one reason i don't like your turn action. you're in a tough spot now - do you check/call a psuh? it's tough to call off all your chips in level 1 against a hand that looks like AA, but it's also really bad to get moved off the hand by a "value bet" JJ or a bluff AK/AQ.

i guess i'd check/call any. i don't like it very much though.

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I agree, I'd take this line as well.