Losing with 33 - some hands for inspection.

TripleH68 · #1 10-17-2005, 01:18 PM

After 45,000 hands in my PT database I am winning with AA-88, losing with 77-22.
Looking specifically at 33 I have been dealt the hand 154 times:

VP$IP = 50%
CCPF once
W$WSF = 15%
W$SD = 50%
WTSD = 15%
bb/hand = (0.20)

Not the largest sample size, but considering my stats are similar for 22, 44, 55 and 66 here are a few hand samples I picked out.
Some are very routine, some not. I hope you do not consider this post a waste of time/space. I am just starting to feel like maybe I should really tighten up with these low pockets unless I can figure out how to play them better. Thanks in advance for any/all discussion.

HAND 1
Perhaps a stale debate on whether you should open limp in EP?
PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP3 raises, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 3.16 BB

HAND 2
Preflop call seems okay. Call this flop?
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
UTG raises, UTG+1 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, Hero (poster) calls, MP3 calls, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls, MP3 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 raises, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: (13.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has Qs As (one pair, aces).
UTG+2 has Kc Kh (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 15.75 BB. 

HAND 3
CO preflop raise is 9%. Should hero consider raising this somewhere?
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, CO raises, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has 3c 3h (two pair, nines and sevens).
CO has Js Ac (two pair, nines and sevens).
Outcome: CO wins 6.25 BB. 

HAND 4
This seems like another common situation. Does not feel good when it happens...
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, SB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero folds.

Turn: (9 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, SB folds, UTG+1 folds.

River: (12 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 bets, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below: 
MP1 has 6h Qs (two pair, queens and sixes).
MP3 has 9h Jc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: MP1 wins 14 BB. 

HAND 5
Did I mess up every street here?
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Preflop: Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 folds.

River: (5.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 6d Jc (two pair, sixes and fours).
Hero has 3h 3c (two pair, fours and threes).
Outcome: BB wins 5.50 BB. 

HAND 6
Pot is very small.
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, MP3 folds, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 3.66 BB

HAND 7
Bet the turn and/or river here? Villain is 10/9/1.0.
Is the flop bet even worth it?
PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 3 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (3 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 5d Tc (one pair, fives).
Hero has 3c 3d (one pair, threes).
Outcome: BB wins 5 BB.