so yesterday i just kept hitting the call button

[bjb23]

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That's fair enough.. a CO push is often a steal, but a decent player shouldnt be pushing down to A6o here I think, so it'd be a strange type to call here (which obviously he was - something like a LAG or a TAG who doesn't quite get ICM, or whatever)

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he shouldn't? can someone run that? make some assumptions, one tight calling range, and then one where everyone behind him calls with exactly the hands that are ahead of A6, and maybe KQ thrown in for kicks.

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ok with a range of 44+,A7s+,A7o+,KQs, KQo for all three behind, it is exactly ev neutral (lol, at least to the tenths place) and desired pushing range would be 55+,ATo+,A9s+ .

for all tighties behind (TT+,AQs+,AKo) which is obviously much too tight it is +1.1%. with a desired pushing range of any two.

for average callers(66+,ATs+,AJo+ ,obviously too tight again), it is +0.5% with a desired range of Push hands: 22+,A3o+,A2s+,K7o+,K2s+,Q8o+,Q3s+,J8o+,J6s+,T8o+,T 6s+,98o,96s+,86s+,76s (44%)

[citanul]

i'm not in the same city as my computer, nor with your exam.

lame-o

[citanul]

what if we make his calling range what i asked about [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

pushing exactly the hand he did. is that +ev?

[bjb23]

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what if we make his calling range what i asked about

pushing exactly the hand he did. is that +ev?

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you asked for hands that beat a6o no? i assume that 44 beats a6 sorta kinda?


ok with a range of 44+,A7s+,A7o+,KQs, KQo for all three behind, it is exactly ev neutral (lol, at least to the tenths place) and desired pushing range would be 55+,ATo+,A9s+ .

so you want a diferent range than the one above?

i hope were talking about the same hand... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[bjb23]

ok maybe i got you all wrong. you said "
make some assumptions, one tight calling range, and then one where everyone behind him calls with exactly the hands that are ahead of A6, and maybe KQ thrown in for kicks."

did you mean that have one person behind with a tight range and the other two with ranges that beat a6o or did you want me to run it twice with each person having the same calling range as i did previously?
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edit: ok, apparently i suck at this game. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[golfcchs]

Do you think this would apply as much to low buyin sng's? I assume yes because there will be more donks, but just want to make sure.

[tewall]

Hmmm. I'm getting basically EV neutral with either range; the tight range being top 10% of hands.

I would have thought A6o would be +EV here.

[citanul]

my bad, i misread originally and htought you had put the pusher on a range instead of putting him on exactly one hand. why, i don't know. thanks for the data. i was afraid as well, i push A6o every time in that spot i believe, as well as worse and better hands.

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[tewall]

I redid the calculations and got more reasonable results. EV neutral if called by loose range; +EV with tight raiser by a lot with CEV going from .1 to .15. That makes a lot more sense.

So A6o is an easy push, and A8s is a very thin call at best.

[good2cu]

Yea calling in this spot with A8, is pretty terrible, even againest agressive players.