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#11
09-12-2005, 03:48 PM
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Re: Thoughts and results.
Just read results after posting my response. Surfdoc is absolutely right. For this player to be liberally 3-betting your raises, showing the lack of respect, there's no way he's laying down QQ, regardless of how much of a good card reader he is. Without a flush or other obvious draws out there, a move to have him lay it down would be futile.
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#12
09-12-2005, 04:16 PM
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Re: ATs and a nice flop.
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[ QUOTE ] Fold preflop. I don't understand the preflop cap either. [/ QUOTE ] I feel the open raise preflop is fine. As far as capping, I've got a nice suited ace in a big multiway pot with two bad players. Also, Villian could be raising me light, so it's not certain I'm up against a monster. There is a small chance I have the best hand plus if he has some medium pair he may misread my hand on a scary board. I also want to notify him that 3-betting me with marginal hands is going to get expensive. [/ QUOTE ] you stated: [ QUOTE ] Villian is a tight aggressive player [/ QUOTE ] and that: [ QUOTE ] I open raise UTG [/ QUOTE ] why in the world would you think he's 3 betting you lightly? have you been open raising, been 3 bet and then c'f flops? -Barron
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#13
09-12-2005, 06:29 PM
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Re: ATs and a nice flop.
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why in the world would you think he's 3 betting you lightly? [/ QUOTE ] Mostly because the game was recently short and I'm not certain that he has re-adjusted to full table conditions. I know that he will lighten up his 3-betting standards when the game gets short, and also against me if it pertains to any type of steal/resteal situation since we have a history there. In a prior session, I open raised from the Hijack, and he 3-bet me in the CO with A2s. I guess I'm saying that I really didn't think he needed a huge hand to 3-bet me here.
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#14
09-12-2005, 06:57 PM
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Re: ATs and a nice flop.
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[ QUOTE ] why in the world would you think he's 3 betting you lightly? [/ QUOTE ] Mostly because the game was recently short and I'm not certain that he has re-adjusted to full table conditions. I know that he will lighten up his 3-betting standards when the game gets short, and also against me if it pertains to any type of steal/resteal situation since we have a history there. In a prior session, I open raised from the Hijack, and he 3-bet me in the CO with A2s. I guess I'm saying that I really didn't think he needed a huge hand to 3-bet me here. [/ QUOTE ] either full or short if he's knowledgable he's looking not at the # of the players, but at the # of players YET TO ACT behind you at the time of your raise. Barron
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#15
09-12-2005, 07:42 PM
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Re: Thoughts and results.
wow i was wrong. im usually right when i read a hand in these posts. oh well.
i think i mistook your opponent for wily. id watch out for him, he sounds good. 3 betting you with A9s 5 handed is not raising light, it's solid TA play.
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#16
09-12-2005, 11:02 PM
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Re: Thoughts and results.
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wow i was wrong. im usually right when i read a hand in these posts. oh well. [/ QUOTE ] I guess it can be tough to respect anyone else's opinion when you're just about always right. I must be farther away than you think, if that's possible.
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#17
09-13-2005, 04:02 AM
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Re: ATs and a nice flop.
I would personally just start off with a call before the flop instead of a raise. If you weren't suited, is probably a fold in that position.Being suited, it's now worth playing, but of course,suited hands like more compant, so why decease the value of your hand by raising? Back to basics.
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#18
09-13-2005, 04:02 AM
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Re: Thoughts and results.
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I lost to QQ as some posters guessed. My main question was on the flop/turn line I took. Highlife suggested checkraising the flop to get 4 bets in, and I think this is a valid line that would have worked. After the hand Villian said he didn't raise the turn because he thought I could have kings. So now I'm wondering, if I smooth call the flop raise and checkraise him on the turn, or him + another player on the turn.....it looks like a big hand: flopped set, or a big pair. He might lay down QQ. From a pot equity perspective it can't be that bad with all my outs, and I know that the chance he lays down is > 0. Anybody like waiting for the turn to checkraise/represent a monster and try to push him off of an overpair? [/ QUOTE ] That guy is folding QQ on that board about never. I think you played the hand fine. Just need a heart to hit next time.
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