$109 4 to 1 do you call?

[Seth Money]

Had an interesting hand in a current game I am playing. Getting 4 to 1 on money but is it worth it. Hand and hand results. Comments appreciated. Thanx

***** Hand History for Game 2567449992 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 15007010) - Sat Aug 20 14:34:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 35039 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jsano (575)
Seat 2: stewsteel (1055)
Seat 3: dinerguy69 (1505)
Seat 4: nurseann111 (1615)
Seat 5: SethMoney80 (945)
Seat 6: SCHLECKYB (855)
Seat 7: gibson42 (895)
Seat 8: Dragon1955 (1490)
Seat 9: BenShark1 (850)
Seat 10: jonbuz (215)
nurseann111 posts small blind (15)
SethMoney80 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SethMoney80 [ 2c, 2s ]
SCHLECKYB folds.
gibson42 folds.
Dragon1955 folds.
BenShark1 folds.
jonbuz raises (215) to 215
jonbuz is all-In.
jsano folds.
stewsteel calls (215)
dinerguy69 calls (215)
nurseann111 calls (200)
SethMoney80 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $890 with jonbuz
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Js, 2h, 3d ]
nurseann111 checks.
stewsteel checks.
dinerguy69 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7h ]
nurseann111 bets (150)
stewsteel folds.
dinerguy69 calls (150)
** Dealing River ** : [ 8c ]
nurseann111 bets (225)
dinerguy69 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 890 | Side Pot 1: 525
Board: [ Js 2h 3d 7h 8c ]
jsano balance 575, didn't bet (folded)
stewsteel balance 840, lost 215 (folded)
dinerguy69 balance 1140, lost 365 (folded)
nurseann111 balance 1550, bet 590, collected 525, lost -65 [ Kd Tc ] [ high card king -- Kd,Js,Tc,8c,7h ]
SethMoney80 balance 915, lost 30 (folded)
SCHLECKYB balance 855, didn't bet (folded)
gibson42 balance 895, didn't bet (folded)
Dragon1955 balance 1490, didn't bet (folded)
BenShark1 balance 850, didn't bet (folded)
jonbuz balance 890, bet 215, collected 890, net +675 [ Ah 5h ] [ high card ace -- Ah,Js,8c,7h,5h ]

[axeshigh]

You are being results-oriented here. You may be getting 4 to 1 on your money but the odds of flopping a set are obviously less than that. Most of the time you don't hit and fold to any bet, so whether or not your opponent is holding K-high is irrelevant.

[yvesaint]

you wouldnt be posting this if a 2 didnt fall on the flop

[Seth Money]

Well I am being completely honest here, when I say forget the results of the hand do you call? The tourney is in the fairly early stage and if you hit great if you don't u dump. I don't really care that the guy that won the pot had ace high and the other king high....

Just interesting discussion for me. I mean you see that I folded.

Seth

[Seth Money]

Actually I think I would.

Ok hypothetically lets say you have AJ here and 4 to 1 do you call?

If you wanna play this hand completely by the odds, you will flop a set 1:7.5 hands. If you are getting 4:1 it is still incorrect to call strictly by the odds. I personally don't like calling 1/4 of my stack on a low set draw, with the potential of getting beat by a higher set.

[ldavidjm]

I think with implied odds since so many people are in the hand you could "maybe" justify a call on the odds. However, I don't like having to check/fold off 20% of my stack this early the vast majority of the time, and therefore I think this is a standard fold.

[Seth Money]

Thanks for the posts guys. I agree with your assessment and thats why I folded. I was just curious what others thought. Thanks again

Seth

[psyduck]

Are you [censored] kidding me? You'll flop a 2 12% of the time. The rest of the time you're check/folding. I'm not going to invest a 1/4 of my stack THIS early for 12% of the time.

Jesus christ, come on, this is an amazingly easy preflop fold.

[lastchance]

What everyone else said. It's just too much of your stack.