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Old 04-12-2005, 03:40 PM
Barry Barry is offline
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Default Blind Defense Stop and Goes

I have been experimenting with a new line when there I elect to defend heads up.

Party 15/30 Decent table.

Folded to the CO who open raises, folded to me in the BB, I call with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

CO is new to the table and I have not seen him before, but I haven't seen him get much out of line.

Flop is T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I bet, CO raises, I call.

It seems in this game that a raise is somewhat more likely to be overcards than a better hand and a call is somewhat more likely to be a better hand than overcards.

Turn is 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], I bet.
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:44 PM
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Default Re: Blind Defense Stop and Goes

I am missing how this is better than just 3 betting the flop?
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:45 PM
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Default Re: Blind Defense Stop and Goes

Nice.

What do you do if raised again?
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:46 PM
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Default Re: Blind Defense Stop and Goes

What other hands will you bet out on the flop with in this situation?
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:46 PM
Nate tha' Great Nate tha' Great is offline
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Default Re: Blind Defense Stop and Goes

What turnip said. I think you're simply giving up value by not bet-3betting.
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: Blind Defense Stop and Goes

i hate every post that ends with "i bet"
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: Blind Defense Stop and Goes

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i hate every post that ends with "i bet"

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pff. Often that's the best way otherwise it gives off results and that would affect the rest of the hand. Also, in this case, the bet was what he was wondering about. Don't be so sensitive. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:56 PM
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I would checkraise this a whole lot of the time unless he will always raise overcards. standard or is bet-3bet better?

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Old 04-12-2005, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: Blind Defense Stop and Goes

it's just the intentional finality of it that implies that the move is clever. "i bet" is like "i flat call, then i punch myself in the cock" with a wink

anyway the only time i think this is more profitable is if the person is extremely likely to raise you with anything on the turn just because the stop and go will make them angry. if AJ is going to pop you on the turn here, by all means. you also can't let a jack or queen bother you either if you're aiming for that.
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Old 04-12-2005, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: Blind Defense Stop and Goes

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i hate every post that ends with "i bet"

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pff. Often that's the best way otherwise it gives off results and that would affect the rest of the hand. Also, in this case, the bet was what he was wondering about. Don't be so sensitive. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Maybe astro was refering to the fact that it sounds like the OP is trying to wager on whether the turn was the 3 of diamonds [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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