AA no reads

[Ryendal]

Third hand at the table, no reads at all. Comments on all streets please, thank you.


No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (5 handed) converter

MP ($19.10)
Hero ($25.40)
SB ($13.45)
BB ($51.15)
UTG ($22.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.35</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $1.10, UTG calls $1.10, MP calls $1.10.

Flop: ($5.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5.50</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, MP is all-in HERO ?

[4_2_it]

Raise a little more preflop. 3-4bb plus 1 for each limper is my standard. Flop bet is fine. I'm calling and if he has a set I'm reloading.

[Ryendal]

So, it's a standard call here ? I was not sure

[beeyjay]

you gotta call. flush draw is way to likely to fold.

[xorbie]

fold.

[4_2_it]

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fold.

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Two-pair or a set?

[xorbie]

Ok, so I would probably not fold this cuz I never fold aces basically, but if you are ever going to fold aces, now is the time. My thinking is that MP limped after multiple limpers so unless he's that rare guy who never ever raises PF we can rule out QQ or KK. Also if he's willing to play TT/JJ this hard on this flop he'd likely raise those too, so I just doubt we see those too often. 89 is also a very common hand. Then there is the fact that most people at this level never ever check raise, and the fact that it's so easy to have a pair + flush draw or a gut/oesd + flush draw on this board. We're really not in good shape.

[wyrd]

I want to cry because this is a hard decision. Flush draw, straight draw, two pair, set, A9 for top pair with top kicker. Could also have TT, JJ, QQ, KK. *sigh*

I push. I've folded AA and KK each once when someone flat called, then the turn completed a possible straight AND flush (in this case a Ts would be horrible - something like that). But since we're on the flop, I'm pushing and hope he donked it and went all-in on a draw.

Also I've been in this particular situation as well, and it ended up villain was actually all-in with two overcards and a flush draw. So this is also very very likely (something like QKs).

[4_2_it]

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Ok, so I would probably not fold this cuz I never fold aces

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I'm with you. I cannot bring myself to lay them down on this dry of a board. I agree that OP should fold, but I know that I cannot fold in this situation.

[aces_dad]

It's tough without a read because he could easily have a set (limp, call a less than 10% stack raise) and you're in bad shape.

Given that his stack is fairly small (ie approx 12 more into a 12 pot) you're getting great odds against just a flush draw which is a likely hodling. I often see sets c/r min not c/r all in, as they want a call more than the flush draw does. If you're both more like 200 BB stacks I think people would be more willing to lay this down.