Is this flop call too thin? JJ 2/4

lightw1thoutheat · #1 05-25-2005, 04:58 PM

player on my right seems fairly aggressive, everyone else are calling stations. Given this i think that i had the odds to peel one off on the flop. I'm getting $2 to 32 or 1 to 16. I figure that my jacks are good (2 outs) as well as the backdoor straight draw (.5 outs). I think this is a little shy of the correct pot odds to call, but i'm pretty certain i have the implied odds.

Also, what do you think about the flop check? I thought that i wasn't getting rid of more than one opponent with a flop bet. If i bet, what do i do against on turn UI? this is an issue i've been struggling with a bit recently.

thanks
-light
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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP1 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, MP1 calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, MP1 calls $2 (All-In), Button calls, SB folds, Hero raises, UTG calls, Button calls.

River: (14.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Button folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls $7.50 (All-In), Hero calls.

Final Pot: 22.25 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Jd Js (three of a kind, jacks).
UTG has As Qd (two pair, aces and queens).
MP1 has Ks 2c (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 22.25 BB.

gvibes · #2 05-25-2005, 05:28 PM

I usually bet out on that flop. The call isn't thin at all, taking into account implied odds. Going 5-way to the turn, if you hit a jack, your are going to make quite a few more BB's. The turn c/r is gutsy, but I like it.

You also don't have a backdoor straight draw.

lightw1thoutheat · #3 05-25-2005, 06:07 PM

oops, thought there was a T on flop, so no straight draw

Buck_65 · #4 05-25-2005, 06:19 PM

I'd definitely bet out. You're likely to be raised, and you definitely have plenty of implied odds to call 1 back to you. Nice hand.

johnwit · #5 05-25-2005, 08:25 PM

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I usually bet out on that flop.

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What would you do on the turn if noone raised on the flop and the turn left you UI? River?

I get lost as what to do in these situations. Seems I continue to bet out on the turn and river because noone shows any aggression, but still find someone calling with a weak Ace.

Pokey · #6 05-25-2005, 09:29 PM

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What would you do on the turn if noone raised on the flop and the turn left you UI? River?

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Bet until you encounter resistance, then either call down or fold, depending on how much you believe the raiser. Don't assume an ace is out there until someone proves it to you.

johnwit · #7 05-25-2005, 09:49 PM

thats what I figure you do, but seems like I've been tossing chips away doing this.

Thanks