Lost at the river

Sightless · #1 10-20-2005, 12:04 PM

CO Just came recently 2-3 orbits ago.. and I noticed He raises preflop too much... So I decided to isolate him, sadly for me 2 other players came along for the ride unexpecanly..
MP2 plays 70% of his hands and doesnt raise preflop... and bets only when he has something

I am totally lost at the river, what do I do? Bet/fold? check/call? bet and call a raise?
and did I play it, ok up to the river? Was I right to bet out on the turn?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP calls, CO calls.

River: (11 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
 Hero ?

numeri · #2 10-20-2005, 12:07 PM

First, you can't isolate when there's a limper already. Not that your 3-bet is bad, but you won't get it HU often.

Flop and turn are standard. River is the blank of all blanks, so I bet. If MP2 raises, we have an easy fold. If MP2 calls and CO raises, I think I also fold. If MP2 folds and CO raises... that's tougher. It still seems like a fold to me.

WildDan · #3 10-20-2005, 12:13 PM

Looks like Bet/call to me. TPTK meets no resistance on the turn when the 4 card OESD is out. I wouldn't worry too much. CO could be coming along with something like AJ or AT, and MP being as loose as he is could have two hearts, or middle pair weak kicker.

I think Bet/Fold is a little weak when you consider the pot would be laying 14-to-1 or better.

irishpint · #4 10-20-2005, 12:17 PM

id bet/call, there was a flush draw that didnt hit. MP2 raises when he has something...that would be the tunr and he didn't.

Redd · #5 10-20-2005, 12:17 PM

I'd bet-fold, especially if we're overcalling. I think someone is rarely raising a hand that we beat on this board.

edit: Closest scenario IMO is bet-fold-raise-Hero... and I could see a call there. Play up to the river is fine IMO.

steveshoe · #6 10-20-2005, 12:23 PM

I am not worried about an 8 but maybe a King in someones hand. Too many players will play any face card. Great flop for a King. If you want to save a bet--check/call or go for value--bet/call

gopnik · #7 10-20-2005, 12:24 PM

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I think Bet/Fold is a little weak when you consider the pot would be laying 14-to-1 or better.

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What hand do you think will raise you on the river on this board that you beat?

numeri · #8 10-20-2005, 12:27 PM

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id bet/call, there was a flush draw that didnt hit. MP2 raises when he has something...that would be the tunr and he didn't.

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MP2 sounds like the kind of player who will raise with the nuts. I think a lot of players fear AK here, since they assume a 3-bet means AA, KK, or AK. I don't see anyone raising here without a hand that beats us.

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MrWookie47 · #9 10-20-2005, 12:38 PM

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numeri · #10 10-20-2005, 01:20 PM

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