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Old 11-12-2005, 11:18 AM
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, 3 folds</font>, CO calls, 1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)</font>
SB bets</font>, BB calls, Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, CO folds, SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, Hero caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)</font>
SB bets</font>, BB calls, Hero raises</font>, SB 3-bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

River: (15.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img](2 players)</font>
SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 9c 9h (three of a kind, nines).
Hero has 5h 5d (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: SB wins 17.50 BB. </font>
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Old 11-12-2005, 11:36 AM
sean c sean c is offline
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Default Re: was this obvious?

If the table was loose you played the hand just fine. Never fold on the river for one bet with a set even when you know you are beat so you can't fold there. You can't fold the turn because of your boat outs and capping the flop is the only way to go.
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Old 11-12-2005, 11:53 AM
bozlax bozlax is offline
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Default Re: was this obvious?

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You can't fold the turn because of your boat outs and capping the flop is the only way to go.

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Well, if you've got a read that Villan will only 3-bet the turn with a set or better and wouldn't play 87x preflop, then your boat outs on the turn are useless to you. I've never had that strong a read on somebody in micros, but I hear it can happen.
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Old 11-12-2005, 11:58 AM
sean c sean c is offline
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You can't fold the turn because of your boat outs and capping the flop is the only way to go.

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Well, if you've got a read that Villan will only 3-bet the turn with a set or better and wouldn't play 87x preflop, then your boat outs on the turn are useless to you. I've never had that strong a read on somebody in micros, but I hear it can happen.

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I have never had that type of read either.
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Old 11-12-2005, 02:47 PM
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Default Re: was this obvious?

With no reads, of course not.
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Old 11-12-2005, 02:52 PM
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You probably got away with this as cheaply as you could. If you get the bad end of set over set you are always going to lose a ton unless you are a complete wimp.

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Old 11-12-2005, 03:03 PM
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a) you played it just fine
b) no it wasn't obvious. I have had a lot of sets and seem to recall that I had one beaten by a higher set
c) don't post results
d) i'm sure this has been stated already, but this is a grunchy response
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Old 11-12-2005, 07:46 PM
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Default Re: was this obvious?

I think your play was fine. Set over set happens so rarely...set over two pair is much better assumption.

When you realized you might be in trouble, you called and check/called. That's exactly what you have to do.
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Old 11-12-2005, 07:59 PM
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a) you played it just fine
b) no it wasn't obvious. I have had a lot of sets and seem to recall that I had one beaten by a higher set
c) don't post results
d) i'm sure this has been stated already, but this is a grunchy response

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This is funny--I just had another one in a session after I posted this (see the NC thread). It stings like a beyotch!
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Old 11-12-2005, 08:16 PM
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Default Re: was this obvious?

I would have capped the turn and called a 3bet on the river

turn: cap
river: he bets, i raise, he 3bets, i call

set over set is rare. If you get too scared, you miss out on money. Play for BIG money, not for avoiding losses. Play sets HARD! Don't fear set over set. And don't just say "i knew it" when he flips over a higher set. They are not common. you should reraise everytime here. Sets are rare and very profitable, you will win WELL over 50% of the time when you flop a set! You need to bet raise for value. If you lose, you lose. But you will WIN MONEY ANYWAYS! Don't slow down with a set, you'll get scared too often. I attack scared players, and get them to go weak-tight later on. Don't fall into this,play your sets hard, make BIIIIG pots. Win lots of money.
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