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Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG limps, next 3 limp. all fold. i check.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $65. Folds. I call.

Alright, i checked to go for a checkraise or see what happens. In the end i decided to checkcall-lead friendly turn. I don't like this play, but lets move on, it happened.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Pot: 225. I lead for pot. He just above min raises. I call.

Meh. I don't feel great right now but i can't pick out any certain hands that he could raise here, QJ seems most legit and maybe 99 but this raise also feels a lot like a pansy take a free showdown raise with something very possible like QK AQ QTs or even AA, i figure i could call with intentions of folding to a river bet and win at least 2:1 here, so i call.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

I check with intentions of calling since if i lead i'm getting no value from Q,x, only the same value against QJ and i'm worse off against 99.

Thoughts? Maybe i should stop putting myself in these situations?

[turnipmonster]

stack sizes?

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stack sizes?

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Opps, shiit. Villian has $1400 left on the river, i have him covered.

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Hey Jay,

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River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

I check with intentions of calling since if i lead i'm getting no value from Q,x, only the same value against QJ and i'm worse off against 99.

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I lead the river. I think that he has a pansy showdown hand (or QJ) far more often than a bigger boat. I don't see why you think that a queen is folding that river to a bet; a lead looks like a busted flush draw...

I think that the more interesting question is how much to bet on the river...

Glad to see you posting again. Hope it worked out.

Mike

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I think you need to c/r all in here. The only hand that beats you is 99, and betting here may let him off the hook with KTs or T8s or QJ (and by off the hook i mean he wont raise it).

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a lead looks like a busted flush draw...

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Always something to learn from these forums, dam i didn't even consider this [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Think the turn call is fine? Is it close?

[turnipmonster]

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I think that the more interesting question is how much to bet on the river...

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I fancy a push.

edit: a push I think has two advantages. like mike said there's a good range bluffing hands you can have so you're getting pretty good snapoff equity from him, plus you don't let him call with worse hands and raise with better ones in a situation where you are committed. agree/disagree?

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I think that the more interesting question is how much to bet on the river...

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I fancy a push.

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Would you give thoughts, i'm wondering which hands you think i make more against with this line vs c/r all in.

Man, i hope you have all noticed how humble i am in this forum now, i finally passed puberty. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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edit: a push I think has two advantages. like mike said there's a good range bluffing hands you can have so you're getting pretty good snapoff equity from him

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While i didn't consider this in the hand right now it seems the only snap value i get is against QJ i don't think many if any players in here try to pick me off with QK no matter how much my hand is under respesented, and against QJ i think i'd prefer checkraise.

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plus you don't let him call with worse hands and raise with better ones in a situation where you are committed. agree/disagree?

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This is the advantage of push vs bet size. I think if we do lead it should be a push.

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yeah i'm not sure I understand either. I think any hand that calls a bet would bet it themselves. I can't see him calling this push with one pair hands.

[turnipmonster]

added thoughts above. this is 10/20?