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Old 06-29-2005, 10:59 PM
jeffraider jeffraider is offline
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Default The Ole limp/call off nearly all of my chips Move

Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: milly24 ( $755 )
Seat 8: yerapeein ( $660 )
Seat 1: brownfest99 ( $1215 )
Seat 7: jeffraider ( $770 )
Seat 2: pttynpink ( $700 )
Seat 6: shakespeere ( $1095 )
Seat 5: Billy__Bluff ( $860 )
Seat 9: mtrmanryr ( $245 )
Seat 3: scout1234 ( $925 )
Seat 4: johnbarclay ( $775 )
Trny:13522276 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jeffraider [ Jd Jh ]
pttynpink folds.
scout1234 calls [30].
johnbarclay folds.
Billy__Bluff folds.
shakespeere folds.
jeffraider calls [30].
yerapeein is all-In [660]
mtrmanryr folds.
milly24 folds.
brownfest99 folds.
scout1234 folds.
jeffraider calls [630].

This is a $10+1. What do you think? $10+1 only move?
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Old 06-29-2005, 11:04 PM
ChuckNorris ChuckNorris is offline
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Default Re: The Ole limp/call off nearly all of my chips Move

I'd quickly check the hand histories (I'm too busy 2+2'ing to keep track of level 1-3 plays [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]) to see why he has lost 340 (EDIT: oh yeah, it's only 140 chips in a 10+1), and if there's nothing particularly fishy about it, I'll fold. When I played 10+1's, I generally called these only with AA-QQ. You see a lot of plays like this with stuff like 99 and AT there though, so I'm not 100% sure.

But since JJ is a coinflip against AK and AQ and dominated against the two other usual hands that you see here, I fold.
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Old 06-29-2005, 11:09 PM
Jman28 Jman28 is offline
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Default Re: The Ole limp/call off nearly all of my chips Move

1st... Raise pretty big instead of limping. Especially in a 10+1. You're gonna get called in like 3 places and you're over 50% to flop a set or overpair. And most players will pay you off with top pair of 9s.

2nd... How did he get to 660 chips? If you weren't watching, take your time bank and look at the HH while you think.

Absent of any reads, I dunno. I call because I've lost all value of money and it's only $11.
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Old 06-29-2005, 11:21 PM
brian8065 brian8065 is offline
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Default Re: The Ole limp/call off nearly all of my chips Move

I would fold here too. I do not believe the benefit of winning this nearly outweighs the detriment of losing. There a lot of hands that this player may have, many of which you are a good favorite. I would think it was either a tricky play or bad play to go all in with AA, KK, or QQ. The problem is if you look at all the options, I would estimate you at a 55/45 or 60/40 favorite. If you play good SnG strategy, you will win with or without winning this pot. If you lose this pot you are severely crippled. If you are a good player, you do not look for these coin flips at level 2.
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Old 06-29-2005, 11:30 PM
Moonsugar Moonsugar is offline
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Default Re: The Ole limp/call off nearly all of my chips Move

I think calling this at the 11 is very profitable. I have no data or analysis or experience at the 11 to back this up.
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Old 06-29-2005, 11:40 PM
jeffraider jeffraider is offline
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Default Re: The Ole limp/call off nearly all of my chips Move

I may be nuts to think this, but does this move not just stink of JJ-22? That was my first thought. The only hand I was worried about seeing was QQ and I think I would have fallen out of my chair hellmuth-style if it was AA or KK or even AK. KQ was another possibility and I'd honestly hate (HATE) to coinflip here, but I felt it was like 2:1 or better that I was looking at a lower PP. Am I nuts? This isn't typical of my SNG strategy, but this just smelled like money to me.
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