Stalling just outside the money? What? - Page 2

brian8065 · #11 05-31-2005, 01:32 AM

Hand for hand would work well. It is funny though how many players that are used to stalling, continue to stall when the hand for hand kicks in.

Key West · #12 05-31-2005, 07:42 AM

Every three minutes. It was a typo.

Key West · #13 05-31-2005, 08:01 AM

Can someone explain "hand-for-hand" for me? I read the definition on Party's FAQ page, but I still don't get it.

johnd13 · #14 05-31-2005, 09:52 AM

hand for hand is that the play on all tables must be complete before the next hand is dealt. In theory this would discourage stalling as there is no advantage to stalling as all the tables play the same number of hands. In reality, some people still stall even in hand for hand situations...

Key West · #15 05-31-2005, 06:00 PM

How do you know when you're in hand-for-hand mode?

yoadrians · #16 05-31-2005, 07:02 PM

A message comes on the screen and says, 'We are now playing hand-for-hand."

Guelph · #17 05-31-2005, 07:18 PM

Stalling can be more effective in Hand-For-Hand mode. If you get in a hand where both blinds check it down, and use their entire time alloted on every street, you are stalling every single table in the tournament.

Hand for hand needs to have the tourney clock stopped, but as far as I know none of the sites do that..

yoadrians · #18 05-31-2005, 07:27 PM

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Stalling can be more effective in Hand-For-Hand mode.

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This is not true.

Key West · #19 06-01-2005, 12:17 AM

Can you explain why it's not true? There seem to be many differing opinions here, but I haven't really seen anything that proves it one way or the other. I'd really like to see some mathematical proof.

Pete H · #20 06-01-2005, 08:02 AM

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Can you explain why it's not true? There seem to be many differing opinions here, but I haven't really seen anything that proves it one way or the other. I'd really like to see some mathematical proof.

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The idea behind stalling is that other tables play more hands and that means more chances for other shortstacks to bust out before stalling player have to pay BB (or BB and SB) he/she can't cover.

During hand-for-hand mode every table plays one hand at a time and next hand is started only after every table has finished the hand.

This eliminates the stalling advantage as everyone plays the same amount of hands and there's no way you can affect (in hands) the time when you and the shortstacks in other tables eat the blinds.

Edit: Stalling at this point would be advantageous if the clock is running, blinds are about to increase and there are players who would have BB+SB covered but will go allin if blinds increase before they are on the blinds.